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Why Chiang Mai is Number 1 for Digital Nomads

24 Reasons Chiang Mai is the Best Place for Digital Nomads

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Why is Chiang Mai the best place for Digital Nomads?

Being a digital nomad allows the total freedom pack your belongings get in a plane and work wherever you want. Why then are so many (possibly over 3000) digital nomads choosing to live and work for extended periods in Chiang Mai City Thailand?

I myself, have done the working online and traveling since 2002, long before Tim Ferris and the 4 Hour Work Week, gave me a job title, I could use to explain myself to others.  Back in the early days, I traveled the United States in an RV, paying US$500 a month just for satellite dial-up internet connection.  In 2 years of RV’ing  I only ever meet one other person you could call a digital nomad.  Twelve years later, after many countries and scores of cities, I found myself returning to Chiang Mai so often, I decided there was no longer any point going anywhere else. In Chiang Mai hardly an hour goes by without meeting another nomad sitting in a cafe, a coworking place, a meetup and even just walking down the street.

So what makes Chiang Mai so appealing to the Digital Nomad?

I am going to bet, this is not the first blog post you have read about Chiang Mai right?  It seems that now, there is not a travel blogger worth their salt who has not been or lived here and written about this beautiful Northern Thailand city.  In fact there are social groups here in Chiang Mai just for travel bloggers to get together and hang out.  Chiang Mai is home to thousands of Nomads, from all categories of online business. Already Digital Nomads know that Chiang Mai is the number one city, and there are hundreds of reasons we keep coming and returning.

Chiang Mai Buddy was created and set up due to the increasing number of digital nomads who began discovering what Expats knew years ago; That Chiang Mai ROCKS!  Our focus is of course to help prepare you to make coming to Chiang Mai a stress free and as inexpensive as you can.  Because despite all the amazing benefits of this city, packing up and moving to a new country is a huge life decision.  Having a friend already in the city helps makes the transition easier.  But enough of the sales talk.  lets look at why you should make the decision to put Chiang Mai at the top of your list.

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1) Chiang Mai Digital Nomad Community

Digital Nomads having a ball in Chiang Mai

Chiang Mai Digital Nomads have an active and strong social network

Chiang Mai has an incredible amount of open social network groups that are constantly providing training seminars, dinners, social outings, meetups and networking opportunities.  Gone are the day’s where networking in Chiang Mai required joining private membership clubs such as the Tropical MBA Podcasts ‘Dynamite Circle. ($588 per year) or the more recent Nomads List (one off $49).  In fact the free and open social networking groups in Chiang Mai, Thailand have memberships that exceeds these world-wide communities several times over.

The social communities in Chiang Mai, provide information on “how to…”, “where to…” and “when to…”; along with opportunities for hiring and selling the services of each other within the local environment.  Least not, the constant social events, training seminars by visiting experts and free workshops put on by locals wanting to network and promote their services. – And that is just the Nomad Groups!

Long before discovered by Digital Nomads, Chiang Mai was (and still is) a retirement haven for many Expats from  around the world.  They have over years built social and entertainment networks that exceed many times over the specialty digital nomad communities.  Lana Cricket have used the Gymkhana sports grounds for over 50 years, ranging a wide variety of tennis, golf, cricket and other sporting and social events.

“Wait a Minute”, I hear some of the readers say, “This is about Digital Nomads, why are you telling me about the other stuff”?.  Here’s the bottom line ….  So many Nomads who make Chiang Mai their home, never extend their social networks outside of the digital community.  BIG MISTAKE!.  The stories you will hear from retired English MI6, as they argue with retired American Intelligence agents over a beer are far more interesting than Joe Nomads latest SEO budget expenditure and the results.  The amount of information you will gleam at the Chiang Mai Expats club breakfast or one of their scheduled events, is an incredible wealth of information and resources.  If you are going to live in Chiang Mai for an extended period of time – do not make the mistake of burying your head in the silicon sand of exclusively Nomad world..

Some of the Many Social Networks available in Chiang Mai
For more check out our Resources

I Love Chiang Mai – We all love Chiang Mai – there is a great files section with loads of information. This is a secret group, you will need a friend who is a member add you

Chiang Mai Events  – it’s usually here if it is happening in Chiang Mai.

Couch surfing in Chiang Mai – Couch surfing in the international free accommodation and travel group.

Whats Happening Chang MaiThe primary focus of ‘What’s happening in Chiang Mai’ is to provide to voice to those connected to Burma and social justice issues generally. We welcome posts that are of value to the audience advertising events, and important news affecting our community.

What, Where, When Chiang Mai – A page for people, event organizers, promoters, bar owners, club owners to let everyone know what’s happening in Chiang Mai. Feel free to add people to the group, the more people on here the more we’ll know what’s happening in and around Chiang Mai

Chiang Mai – For people wanting to come to or already living or just interested in Chiang Mai

Digital Nomads in Chiang Mai  – Over 3000 digital nomads make Chiang Mai their home.  Most of them share ideas and events in this group

Chiang Mai Happy Hour Nomads – Looking for a new place to get together with friends? New in town and looking for a group to join n for drinks? Keep an eye on our group for our weekly meetups… We will explore new bars, return to old favorites and share our experiences along the way.

TEDx Chiang Mai – Chiang Mai’s affiliated TEDx talks

Farang Community Chiang Mai – An ask and you shall receive group for foreign nations in Chiang Mai.

Teachers of Chiang Mai – If you have questions about teaching vacancies, necessary teaching credentials, professional development ideas or just need some ideas for teaching activities post your comments here!

Teachers in Thailand: Agarn –  The Ajarn school forum and Facebook page

Thailand Foreign English Teachers Network – Support group for Foreign Teachers in Thailand.
Job postings, visa issues, agents issues, Classified advertising, Group trips and more

2) Cost of Living in Chiang Mai

Cost of living in Chiang Mai Thailand

Front page of the Nomad List website .. says it all

One of the biggest attractions of Chiang Mai, Thailand is the cost of living.  The Nomad List website, which compares the cost of living in cities around the world, rank Chiang Mai as one of the cheapest places to live.  This is supported by the Digital Nomad Community forum and website, as well as International Living, a subscription based retirement community.

You can live here on an extreme budget, choosing accommodation like Siriruk Apartment for less than $100 a month.  Or for $500 stay in a fully serviced Hotel like the Victoria.  If you are staying here longer, you are able to lease a condo (usually 6 months minimum but can sometimes you can find one for 3 months) and save even more.

A Motorbike rental can start as low as $60 a month, but beware, this will be a low quality bike.  Most likely older, 100 cc manual motorcycle.  You are much better off spending $90-100 and get a newer 125cc bike large enough and with enough power for the western frame. Newer motorbikes not only pack more power and acceleration (which might save your life) they are easier on the fuel as well.  Better bikes will end up alost as cheap to run as the cheaper older ones.

Food in a Thai Thai (the word to explain a typical local place) restaurant starts at 25 baht and seldom goes past 40 (US 75 cents to $1.20). Most people tend to go to the local places in more urban areas where you are looking at US$1-2 for a meal.  Western food usually cost more, but still much cheaper than is typical in your home country.  Although you will generally find eating out is cheaper than cooking food yourself at home.

You can live in Chiang Mai for about $500 a month.  You will live very well for $1000

3) Availability of Accommodation

Chiang Mai city is growing.  From almost any view in any Condo or monthly rental accommodation you will see new accommodation buildings going up. Long term condo leasing (6-12 months) is easily found, shorter term (3 months) more difficult but not impossible.  Monthly accommodation is readily available in the low seasons, but during high seasons you should book ahead of time.

Chiang Mai is not just a popular destination for online entrepreneurs, it is popular with tourists from all around Asia and Thais from other parts of the country.  The city is taking advantage of the increased tourist and short term visitors and building accommodation to satisfy the need.   This means that rental prices are going to remain low for years to come. There are buildings that are popular with the Chinese, with Japanese, with western Expats and some even fill of digital nomads.  So while accommodation is available – knowing where to live so that you are with people like you, is the biggest consideration

N.B.  On many websites and blogs people will say “Accommodation is easy, just turn up and look around”.  This used to be the case.  Since we founded Chiang Mai Buddy, 80% of our customers have come from street walk-in’s after they found that finding accommodation was much more difficult than they read online. I strongly suggest you do not take the risk during peak season of hoping for the best. Book a place and then look around.

4) Digital Nomad Hotspot

Now the most popular location in the world, Chiang Mai is full of digital nomads.  If you are starting out on your nomadic adventure, you will meet more of your future companions, friends, competitors and collaborators in Chiang Mai than anywhere else in the world.  You can find people who are here for a short time and want to travel, making it the best destination to find new friends to plan your future adventures with.

For those who want to stay longer, making Chiang Mai their hub for slow travel, there are many ex nomads (or nomads on a break) who have made this city their home.  In addition there are people who make their money online who do not consider themselves part of the digital nomad community.

Whatever your purpose for coming, be it short-term stay to start your career, bootstrapping, or because you have found yourself getting tired of living out of a suitcase. Chiang Mai has experienced and successful online entrepreneurial and newbies bootstrapping their dreams.  And the community shares information and helps each other with an openness and willingness to share.

5) Internet and WiFi

I am not going to lie, in your accommodation if you are sharing the internet it can be slow (2-10 mbps down and .5-2 mbps up).  But getting your own internet is easy and cheap.  Unlimited 10 Down and one up plans start at 550 baht per month. At Chiang Mai Buddy office we have 30 Down and 10 up, 112 TV Stations and a cell phone with more data than we need for a grand total of 799 Baht (Less tan $30 a month).

Cafes and Coworking spaces offer much faster internet speeds, and with a phone plan of $10 a month or more you have access the the massive amount of Phone provider WiFi hotspots all around the city.  Free WiFi is everywhere, paid internet is extremely cheap.  In my early days living here I visited so many cafes and eateries (each with free WiFi) that I could walk around and almost always be connected automatically on my phone.  But then I discovered how to get prepaid phone services and never had to worry about looking for free wIFi again.

6) Coworking Spaces and Cafes

In Chiang Mai you can not throw a stone without hitting 1) a Temple, 2) a 7/11 and 3) a place for the digital nomad to work from.  There are now 5 or 6 major coworking spaces, several smaller ones and new places opening all the time.  Every cafe offers free WiFi and has no problems with customers spending hours at a time sitting and working from within.  It is good manners to make a purchase every hour or so, but you are seldom approached or requested to.

You can be assured that at almost every cafe in town (and there are 1000’s of them) your fellow Nomad will be there working away, and often eager to spend some time chatting and making new friends.  You can check out the most popular coworking spaces in this article

7) Working Productivity

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When you think of how the Digital Nomad lifestyle is presented to people before they start what do you think?  It’s the laptop at the beach right? Drinking coconuts! This is in reality – marketing bullshit.  Unless you have incredible time management and conditioned yourself with a disciplined work effort – if you are at a beach you are much more likely to be unproductive.

In Chiang Mai there is amazing support networks and social outlets, mastermind groups and more important you are surrounded by people being productive.  You are much more likely to get inspired here to work (and make money), if you are the some result of the 5 people you hang out with most – Chiang Mai is the place to find those type of people and mentors.

8) Chiang Mai Coffee

Chiang Mai Coffee

Chiang Mai Coffee Farmer explains bean flavors

Do you like Coffee?  People in Chiang Mai do!.  Here many of the thousands of cafes will have their own coffee farms and provide coffee that is some of the highest quality in the world.  The coffee here is what is known as the top 1% by those who spend time slurping and spitting it out. The Chiang Mai region grows Coffee –  It is 100% organic, grown under natural shade at high attitudes and hand picked, wet processed and dried in the sun, and packaged with single source beans.

If you compare this with the media attention grabbing Colombian coffee, which is often grown in fields, harvested with tractors and mixed with beans from other locations – Chiang Mai coffee ROCKS!

9) No Horns, Hustlers, Poverty & Ripoffs

Reasons to Live in Chiang Mai

In Chiang Mai, you are NOT constantly asked to buy things

For the beginner starting to travel around Asia, something they do not tell you in the guide books, or often mention online .. is the Bustle.  In many parts of Asia (Philippines, Saigon, Cambodia, South Thailand) the poverty is overwhelming.  You are confronted by beggars on the streets consistently asking for money.  For the new Nomad, trying to enjoy a beer at 3 am in a nice (or not so nice) bar to be interrupted by a naked 3 year old child with their hands out, is heart breaking (and then often gets annoying).

Touts, Salespeople, Tuk Tuk drivers, Prostitutes, consistently and persistently harass you.  In the Philippines along some of the most happening beaches, you will say no to someone trying to sell you fake sunglasses, and the next walking sales person will hear you say “No” but still approach you.  This type of constant harassment gets old really fast.    In Cambodia you will be offered a ride, then weed, and then a lady, and then 2 minutes later the cycle is repeated.

Horns are used in Asia, to let someone know they are 100 meters from them and approaching, that they are behind them, passing them, have past them, are in front of them, and just because they have not used the horn in the last 30 seconds.  The noise pollution is incredible.  Now some people find this last point “vibrant’ and actually enjoy the massive speed at which the world passes by them and the noise it makes. In Saigon, you are constantly being abused with this type of noise pollution.

This stuff does not happen in Chiang Mai

Yes a Tuk Tuk driver will slow down and ask you if you want a ride, a wave “No” of the hand and they move on.  You are not followed and repeatedly asked to buy things from touts on the streets.   Chiang Mai is a relaxed and layed back city that does not harass the tourists or westerners who live here. So if you need to work, if you need to focus, and you prefer an environment that is not consistently bombarding you with noise and harassment – Chiang Mai is your city.

10) Fantastic Weather

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From November to February the weather in Chiang Mai is perfect.  Clear blue skies with 30°C temperatures and low humidity during the day and lower temperatures at night. Around March the temperature starts to get hotter, but Chiang Mai being located in the mountains is always a few degrees C lower than anywhere else in Thailand and most places in Asia.

The rainy season starts around May and sometimes goes until October.  The rain usually happens once or twice a day for 30-60 minutes.  And it is a downpour!.  You will have about 30 minutes warning as the dark clouds roll in and 10 minutes before it starts the wind picks up.  If you are under cover the refreshing breeze and cooler temps are a welcome visitor.

During the rainy seasons (really it should be referred to as the daily hour of rain) the surrounding area of Chiang Mai is beautiful.  Day trips, and rides to see the tourists spots or just to go on an adventure, will offer some of the best photos you will ever have the privileged of taking.  Worse case (because you do not want to ride in the rain) is that for 30-60 minutes you will have to stop off and sit back and relax at a cafe along your trip.

11) Worlds Best Food

Chiang Mai Street Food

Thai food is amazing, and here in Chiang Mai it is at least 1/10th of the price you would pay back home.   Food stalls and markets are found all over the city where you can sample local dishes for $1 a meal.

Well known Thai favorites like pad Thai and green curry are readily available, and Chiang Mai is famous for its local specialty Khao Soi. If you decide to attend a cooking school (around $30 for a half to full day) you will discover the secret to Khao Soi (OK, OK it is a Thai red curry with Indian curry powder mixed in)

Vegetarians and Paleo are extremely well catered for (Thais often go meatless in their meals for special Buddha events). When you tire of Thai food, there are hundreds of restaurants that cater for every other taste.  Indian, Mexican, Greek – you name it, Chiang Mai has an expat who has decided to open it.  For more details  Where to find Western Food in Chiang Mai

12) Cheap Fresh Produce

If you decide you want to cook for yourself (and most people give up on this idea after a week or two of living here because it IS cheaper to eat out) then the local markets in Chiang Mai are for you.  Lower prices than the supermarkets and full of local and imported from other regions of Thailand – the local markets are a busy and popular place with the locals.

The Markets can be slightly overwhelming for the new arrival, (we offer a quick lesson on how to go and purchase produce included with the Digital Nomad Start Up Tour) – but you will soon get the hang of it.

One of the Kings projects was to help the farmers convert from growing drugs to growing food. Farmers where taught how to grow particular crops and shown how to do it well.  If you are American – forget asking for organic, This is Thailand, almost all the food here is organic.

13) Relaxed, Non Sex-Tourist Atmosphere

Chiang Mai is a traditional city, populated with many migrants from the rural areas of Thailand.  These people have traditional and high values, and Chiang Mai is NOT what you might expect about Thailand from watching movies.  Here (unlike other parts of Thailand and Asia) you will not see the 90 year old man holding hands with his young beautiful play thing.  Yes this is Thailand, and there are parts of the city you can visit if you are feeling ‘lonely’ – but for the most part the people that stay here in Thailand have higher morals and codes of behaviors from the usual tourist.

Chiang Mai is also a relaxed city.  Things happen here at a slower pace, and no one is really in a hurry.  The city is big enough and caters for most people and most tastes, but lacks the zoom zoom speed of other Asian cities.  Some people find this slower pace is not for them

14) Fantastic People

Thailand is promoted as the land of smiles, and never more than in Chiang Mai.  The people are friendly and helpful and honest!  The locals here are not (unlike other parts of Asia) always looking for a way to get something from the tourist.  Locals will help you in times of need, and some of the sweetest natures in the world are possessed by the women here.

Because Chiang Mai is a relaxed and non sex tourist destination, many of the local expats are pleasant to know and engage with. As well Chiang Mai has 3 major Universities so the locals are youthful and educated.  One of the greatest things about being in Chiang Mai is that you do not have to always be on guard that your wallet is about to be taken advantage of.

15) Safety

Chiang Mai is rated as one of the safest cities in the world.  Crime against foreigners is extremely rare, and apart from riding a motorcycle, you will never feel intimidated or afraid for your safety.  You can freely and comfortably walk around either during the day or the small hours of the night and feel totally safe even if you are a single women alone.

The scams that fill the headlines in western media about Thailand and Asia just do not happen here in Chiang Mai – or at least are very very rare.  The one exception to this is the Mob run Karaoke Bars along Chang Klan road.  Here you can go in for an hour, have a few drinks with a few ladies and come out with a 30,000 baht bill.  Many (often drunk and loud) westerners do not understand how a few drinks and a couple of ladies flirting with them can cost $1000. The answer is simple – it is a scam – just don’t go there!

16) The Temples & Culture

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Chiang Mai has Temples!  If taking photos of golden laced statues surrounded by orange and red clothed monks of all ages is your thing – you could spend months and months going to different places everyday.  If you are up in the early hours you will frequently see monks collecting elms along the side of the roads, monks traveling in public transport … monks monk monks!

Thai culture is valued very highly here in Chiang Mai, with a mixture of both rural and urban important events and traditions being celebrated.  Thailand and indeed Chiang Mai is relatively free from western religion, instead the vast majority of people (99%) are Buddhist and this culture is loudly and proudly displayed during the day to day activities of the people.  A few weeks before I wrote this post, myself and a friend where walking at night, and he collapsed and went unconscious.  Luckily we were outside of a medical clinic and the Doctor and nurses came to his aid, but the staff also immediately lite incense to appeal to the house spirit that controlled the area as well.

Asia is well known for its rich and vibrant culture, here in Chiang Mai you will be able to view massive amounts of it, each and everyday just walking around.

17) The Holidays & Festivals

The culture in Chiang Mai is vibrant and often celebrated.  Festivals and Public Holidays are times when the Locals, Expats and tourists alike relax, take time off and enjoy the many colorful and exotic experiences.  In particular Songkran (April 13-16) and Loy Kratong (Nov 25) are two events that draw overseas tourists and Thai’s from other regions of the country. These are two events that should be on everyone bucket list!

18) Beautiful Scenery and Landscapes

Chiang Mai Scenery

Let’s get this out of the way from the get go.  Chiang Mai is located in the North of Thailand, in the Mountains.  There are no beaches here.  But what is here is lush forests, mountains, old villages, rice fields, elephants, gardens, lakes, caves, temples, national parks and more.  There is a world outside of Chiang Mai (although it is fair to say there are many worlds contained within it as well).  that are absolutely spectacular.  Many Expats regularly go on motorcycle tours around the top of Thailand, taking several days.  More locally in just a few short hours you can go to many locations that will fill your camera memory card within hours.

19) So Much to Do!!

Chiang Mai Elephant Tour

There is more to life than just working, and in Chiang Mai there’s plenty to do in your downtime. You may have seen the Elephant Painting on Youtube – here in Chiang Mai you can go and see it for real.  You could visit one of the many Wats (temples); learn to cook Thai food, or how to give a massage.  Perhaps learn a new language or get qualified to Teach English and get a Visa and make money to live here long term.

Paintball, Salsa, Rock climbing, Trekking, Sports, all the usual things you would enjoy doing at home – PLUS the additional things you can only experience in Thailand.  Get blessed by a Monk, attend a retreat, learn how to train Elephants, relax with a $5 massage.  The choices are endless.

20) Cheap Medical Treatments

Here you can have breast implants for around US$1400, get braces for your teeth for half this amount. Dental treatment, Operations, Plastic Surgery – everything here is at almost a 1/3rd what you would pay in a socialist country with subsidized health care, and a fraction of what the typical American would would pay.

Health checks for $3, eye tests, medication the list goes on and on.  Thailand is a medical holiday country and these savings and benefits extend to local services provided by the medical health professionals here in Chiang Mai

21) Transport is Cheap

You can hire a motorbike for 3000 baht a month (sometimes less and sometimes more) – but if you want to use public transport it is easily affordable.  Chiang Mai is supposed to have a public bus system but you will never see it.  The reality is the Red Truck and Tuk Tuk mafia own this town.  Taxi’s are not allowed to drive around looking for customers, and there are no Motorcycle Taxi’s.  But! You can jump on the Red Trucks and travel for just 20 baht, a Tuk Tuk will cost you between 60-100 for a 5 kilometer trip (depending on the time of day and how well you haggle).

Hiring Cars for day trips is around 800-1200 baht.  If you need to do a Visa run, or want to visit another city (or country) the Bus, Train, Tour Vans and Flights are incredibly cheap.

22) Visa’s are Easy to Get

Starting late 2014, the government has started to tighten up the relaxed way they did the visa system here in Thailand.  Gone are the days where you could come in for 30 days and do visa runs to the boarder and extend your stay for ever.  Gone are the days where you would get an ED Visa and not actually attend your class.  Now you must have a proper Visa – but they are easy to get.

Most nationalities get a 30-day visa exemption when they arrive by plane, but if you want to stay long-term it’s best to get a 60-day tourist visa available from many neighboring countries—the nearest is Vientiane in Laos. A double-entry 60-day tourist visa will allow you to stay for six months by getting a 30-day extension at the immigration office, and then doing a border run after three months to renew.

Many people choose to use Chiang Mai as a base, and then visit other countries for a period of time, knowing they can always get another Visa in the countries they are in return to Chiang Mai.

If fact you can get a work permit through Chiang Mai Buddy for 30,000 baht.  Click here to find out how

23) Everything you will need is here

Chiang Mai is small enough to easily learn your way around and become familiar with the city, and big enough to have something for everyone.  There are may reasons that Chiang Mai is the Number one spot for Nomads – they can get and do anything they need to be successful.

Computer repairs, Internet, working spaces, recreational activities, women, friends, seminars, nature tours.  This list is too long to even attempt to begin to describe.

24) Chiang Mai Buddy

Chiang Mai is the first (and only as far as we are aware) city that has a Concierge Service specific for digital nomads. We make coming and staying in Chiang Mai an easy and stress free experience. We find you the best accommodation at the same price as if you walked in off the street, knew how to negotiate and paid cash. We pick you up and take you to your new home, motorcycle ready and waiting for you and then show you the hotspots for working, shopping and playing.

Once you are here, our online service means that you can call or send a text to have us make doctors or dental appointments, arrange for bank accounts, find child care, arrange for internet and TV – and everything and anything you could ask for.  How cool is that?

Find out what we can Do for You

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Western food in Thailand

Finding Western Food in Chiang Mai

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Finding and Eating Western Food in Chiang Mai

It does not take very long living in Thailand before you will discover that western food is 3 to 5 times more expensive than eating at the local Thai restaurants. There are many reasons for this, most notably the luxury tax system, where goods that are deemed by the government to be luxurious, are taxed.  Sadly many western based food items like milk, cheese, canned and frozen foreign foods are considered a luxury. Additionally the demand for many products that Thai’s generally do not eat (baked goods, breads, beef, cakes) is small.  Many of these items are produced at a local level or imported and tend to cost more.

At the moment this is the reality, and if you are unable to adapt your diet to eat the same as the people in the country – bottom line it is going to cost you more to eat. Worse (for me anyhow) is I sometimes get a hankering for a meat sandwich or a self cooked ‘taste of home’ meal and shopping for this one meal could otherwise feed me at local food joints for 4 or 5 days.

But what can you do? I have a digestive system and taste preference profile that was built up over years living in my own country. Sometimes I just got to eat a western meal.

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Fast Food & Delivery Services in Chiang Mai

Luckily for the immediate satisfaction there are many of the old familiar and favorite (at least American) fast food chains across Chiang Mai. These will deliver (usually for free but a tip is customary).  Food Panda is a worldwide delivery service that will take your order online, pick up and deliver usually within an hour for 150 baht.

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Western Restaurants & Bars in Chiang Mai

Luckily for Westerners living in Chiang Mai, others have come before you and often have come from a food and beverage background.  Many of the bars that specialize in western customers also provide some good quality food.  Below is a selection of the more popular places.[hr]

The Dukes Chiang MaiThe Dukes in Chiang Mai

49/4-5 Chiang Mai-Lamphun Rd.
Ping River Branch: 053 249 231

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The Dukes Website.

 

 

In 2005 David Anichowski opened the Duke’s the first American restaurant by the Ping River in Chiang Mai.David.  Anichowski loves to eat great food and have a good time with family and friends, The Dukes slogan is “No claims…No Games…Just Great food” A lot of hard work has provided Great food, Great service and Great prices to the customer of the Duke’s

The Duke’s specially imports it’s beef from Australia and selects products from other local producers in Chiang Mai and Bangkok and now has three locations

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The Pub in Chiang Mai

The Pub, 189 Huay Kaew Road,
+66 (0)53 211 550

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The Pub Website

 

 

Voted one of the best bars in the world by Newsweek, the pub is a rustic old English bar frequented by many of the Expat community living in Chiang Mai.  The pub serves a variety of beers and food that remind you of living back home in England.  Baked Beans, Curries, Sausages and mash potatoes and my personal favorite the Spare Ribs.

Since the first landlord, Mike Tinker, there has been a succession of international Mine Hosts, from South Africa to Argentina and currently from UK in the shape of Grahame Quinn and his wife Tong both have been running The Pub since 2004 during which time it has gone from strength to strength

In 1969 the building which is now The Pub was initially intended to be a library, but ended up as a popular watering hole for the local tobacco dealers, many of South African origin. Although not quite the first expat bar in Chiang Mai, Gymkhana Club has that distinction, it is certainly the first pub, hence the name, ‘The Pub’. As there was only one it didn’t need any other name.

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Un Irish Bar Chiang MaiThe UN Irish in Chiang Mai

24-24/1 Ratwithi Road
+66 (0) 53 214 554

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The UN Irish Website

 

 

 

The U.N. Irish Pub and Restaurant is not your stereotypical Irish Pub.  While it’s got Guinness on tap, and its a great place to go for St. Patricks Day, there is little in the way of tacky theming.  It’s run by an Aussie and is a great place to hang out, in particular if you’re a sports fan.  Wander in any time and there will be a plethora of sports on the t.v. from football to formula 1, and from cricket to rugby. Yes I said cricket – where better to follow the ashes or the cricket world cup?  Oh, and I guess I should mention the Aussie rules game too.  There are three rooms for matches, two upstairs and one downstairs, which means if the game you want to see isn’t on when you walk in, you’ll likely find it on upstairs!

The U.N. Irish Pub also boasts a quiz night every Thursday, so its a great place for Trivia buffs too.  While there is no pool table, there is a dart board upstairs, as well as a small beer garden.  The low seats on the balcony overlooking the road provides a great spot for people watching.

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Sausage King Chiang MaiThe Sausage King in Chiang Mai

332 Soi 13 Moo 2, Nong Chom,A.Sansai,Sansainoi
+66 53 127 585

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The Sausage King Website.

 

 

The Sausage King is located a little north and has a sit down restaurant in addition to selling its home made products nationwide.  Sausage King Chiang Mai offers local products hand selected and made to a strict high quality, fashioned towards items that westerners prefer.  Pies, cuts of meats, microwave meals, burgers it is all there at the Sausage King

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3 little pigs chiang mai3 Little Pigs in Chiang Mai

242 Manee Napparat Rd. Chiang Mai
0808516082

Map Location

3 Little Pigs Website.

 

 

At 3 Little Pigs you’ll find best of Southern Comfort Cooking in Chiang Mai Thailand and probably all of Asia. If not the first best than maybe the second best. Surely no worse than the third best … They hope Depends on who is cooking.

We be talking large portions of working folks foods. The website offers you their menu, shows you where to find the pork and if you really want to know more about them

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river market chiang maiThe River Market in Chiang Mai

 Next to the “Iron bridge” at the end of Loi Kroh Road

Map Location

The River Market Website.

 

 

A favorite hangout of the Chiang Mai Expats Club. The River market is centrally located on the River Ping and overlooking the Iron Bridge. The Thai-Burmese Colonial inspired building was built with 95% recycled wood and using old traditional construction techniques. The high ceiling adds light and the roof structure was designed for the air to circulate and keep the building cool even on the hottest days.

The modern Thai kitchens showcase the food and the talented chefs that prepare it. Everything is cooked fresh using the best ingredients available. To make it a prefect meal we offer a selection of great wines, beers and cocktails chosen to compliment our food.

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Frozen Western Food in Chiang Mai

Many of the restaurants and bars in Chiang Mai that serve western food, (like many consumers around the world) use frozen food. While there are no companies that specialize in solely western food, one company I have that supplies local food outlets does have a range of items they will sell to the consumer.  You can order directly from the rep Fon who will arrange delivery.

Fon’s Contact details

Ph: 090 316 2036
Email: jpowercm@gmail.com
Line: chompunuto807
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Chiang Mai Smke House

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Chiang Mai Smoke House

52 Moo 5 Soi 6, 50210 Sanphanet Sansai Chiangmai
0861864713 Thai or English 0900519028 English Only

Delivery across Chiang Mai

The Chiang Mai Smoke House Website.

 Finest Gourmet custom smoked meats in Thailand is the mission of the Chiang Mai Smoke House. Healthiest Smoked meats using only the finest GMP & HAACP certified products with NO MSG and Low Sodium. Call for delivery details

 

 

 

Renting a Motorcycle in Thailand

5 Tips for Renting a Motorbike in Thailand

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Travelers looking to hire or lease a motorcycle in Thailand will find an abundance of places to choose from.  Most of the resorts, backpackers hostels and monthly accommodation places either have their own bikes or with a quick phone call can have one delivered. While Thailand is regarded as one of the most dangerous places to ride a motorbike in the world, hiring a motorcycle or scooter is without doubt one of the best ways to get out and have the adventures worthy of telling to your kids and grandchildren.

It is difficult to put an accurate number on this, but I would say your can reduce your chances of becoming an accident statistic around 65% by knowing and following a few simple rules about how to ride a motorbike in Thailand., and maybe 20-25% by hiring the right motorcycle.  Thai people drive differently, there is no getting around it, you should also adapt your driving style and be aware of how to ride a scooter while you are here.

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motorbike rent in chiang maiHow to hire or lease a motorcycle in Thailand

5 Tips for renting a Motorbike in Thailand.

1) Where to Hire your Scooter

Almost every village, town, city, island or accommodation type in Thailand will offer the facility to hire a scooter, as will travel agencies and even street stores.  At each of these places the price and quality of motorbike will be different as will the standard of care on maintenance between leasing them.  If you are at a major hotel or resort you can have a higher level of confidence in the quality of the motorbike.  Many smaller resorts run by westerners will also have a higher interest in providing safer bikes for their customers.  The Thai attitude of ‘Mai Ben Rai” (no problem, no worries, forget about it) often also extends to the attitude of the staff working at the business (including the mechanics).

If you decide (or are required to) walk around and search for a motorcycle hire shop, you will need to take a little extra care.  Do not assume just because it is a motorbike leasing business that the staff have your safety at all in concern.  Preform the safety checks listed further down, and do not be afraid of walking away if nothing is available.  You life is at stake, and while it might be easy to give into temptation and rent a motorbike because it is getting hot – This should be a thought out and careful decision.

Try to avoid places that do not speak English.  Sure you may feel fantastic at your gallant efforts at miming and hiring, but you know nothing about the insurance conditions or will be able to get help when you break down.  The bottom line is, if someone starts a business hiring motorbikes and does not appreciate the language of their customers – what else is lacking?

2) Cost, Insurance and Security Deposit.

Security Deposit
You will need to pay in advance and leave either your passport for a deposit or between 3000-5000 baht with a copy of your passport. It is now illegal to be without your passport so it is highly recommended that you leave the cash deposit.

Cost of Renting a Motorbike in Thailand
The company will usually charges per 24 hours when you are renting for the day.  The cost will vary depending on where you are in Thailand, whether the bike is older or new, and an automatic or a manual. Some places will offer a discount for a weekly lease, most will for a monthly hire term.  Although many smaller Thai owned places do not understand the concept of bulk buying as we do in the west and will (especially in peak seasons insist on a daily rate for however many days you hire.

Automatic motorbike – (120 baht – 250 baht / day, 2500 baht – 3500 baht a month)
Semi-automatic motorbike – (120 baht – 250 baht / day, 2500 baht – 3000 baht a month)
Off-road motorbike – (600-1000 baht / day, 6000 baht – 10,000 baht a month)
Older Bikes – 500 baht less per month than a newer scooter.

Insurance
Some places will offer you damage insurance for a 20-200 baht (depending on how long you hire), and it is always worth paying the extra minimal fee. But be aware, most insurance for leasing your motorcycle will require you to pay for the repairs, or in the case of worse damage purchase the bike and then claim the insurance when you return home.  Ask what the procedure is if you need to claim insurance before you rent the bike.

Many people who hire on a daily basis are forced to pay for a bike and then leave the country before the insurance can be sorted out – leaving a 35,000-60,000 baht extra expense. Get the insurance but make sure it is full coverage and does not require you to pay in advance and then claim back later.

Get the name and number or business card of the company in case of breakdown.

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If you are hiring your motorbike from any of the selection on offer at Chiang Mai Buddy, we have arranged a 1000 baht security deposit with a copy of your Passport.

 

3) Type of Scooter you can Rent

There are three types of scooters available for hire at most motorbike rental places in Thailand.
1) Automatic (with no gears)
2) Semi Automatic (with 5 gears but no clutch.)
3) Manual (5 gears with Clutch)

The automatic is the easiest bike to ride for beginners, yet with a little effort most people can master the semi-automatic in less than a day which offers the rider much more control especially riding mountainous, windy roads.

CC Rating
Typically bikes will range from 110cc, 115cc and 125cc with the newer bikes having fuel injection (125i).  Obviously the larger engine provides more power and comes at a higher rental cost.  If you weight 80kg or more, or if you are planning on traveling around the countryside (or mountains up north) get the bigger cc rating.

Older vs New
A new bike is one that is less than 2-3 years old.  Typically an older bike will be about 500 baht a month less to rent (but the same daily rate).  Generally a newer bike will have more power and much better fuel efficienty.  If you your hiring for the day this is not so much of an issue, over the savings in gas that you will incur over a month.  But and this is a BIG BUT,  this is a safety issue.  The newer bikes will have better brakes, tires (usually thicker), more power (for escaping hazards) and save you gas over the longer term more tan the extra rental price.  Ask yourself here Is my life worth paying 500 baht a month for? Or in the case of a daily rental you are paying the same anyway.

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If you are hiring your motorbike from any of the selection on offer at Chiang Mai Buddy, each bike is a Automatic 125cc (usually fuel injected) and new.  Each bike is well maintained and optimized for the westerner.  While there are choices for leasing a motorcycle available in Thailand – there is no choice with us.  We feel so strongly about these issues, we wont allow our customers to make a substandard choice.

4) Safety Inspection and Checks

Before you set off, make sure you give a thorough check of the motorbike. The company will usually go over the bike and make a list of any dents, scratches and damage it might already have which you will be asked to witness.  Pay attention when this is done as the contracts you are about to sign says that you hired the bike in prime condition. If it comes back with any additional marks you will be charged for this and be careful some companies make alot of extra income this way.

Here are things you should check for.

1) Inspect the bike for existing damage and take photo’s on your phone
2) Sit on the bike and bounce up and down – make sure the suspension is working
3) See if the mirrors adjust and you can see behind you.  Thai drivers hardly ever use their mirrors – but you do!
4) Ride the bike and check for size comfort (your knees should not be forced to stick out)
5) Ride the bike and test the brakes (some bikes have rear and front, some combined – know what you have)
6) Check the acceleration – sometimes you will need to get out of the way of some idiot quickly
7) Opt for bikes with thicker tires – thin tires and gravel will be your No one reason for an accident
8) Helmet – Get as good as you can and wear it.  Seriously wear it – I know some people don’t but think of your mother!

5) Breakdown and Repairs

Sometimes it happens, you might have a small accident or get a flat tire (especially on the thinner tires).  If our bike breaks down completely don’t worry, you have the number of the place you hired it (lets hope you choose a place that speaks English).  This is Thailand there are small one man motorcycle repair shops all over the place (I know never where you actually break down though).

You can usually get a tire inflated for free or repaired for 100-150 baht.  If you do any minor damage such as break a turn signal or bulb, and have the time it is worth going to a repair shop and getting it fixed yourself.  If you do not have total coverage with no payment insurance, you can be assured the price the rental place thinks it will cost to repair is more tan you will pay yourself.

If you lose your helmet you can get a new one for a few hundred baht – don’t let the company you hired from tell you they are 1000 to replace.

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Riding a scooter is likely to be not only a necessary but also a highly enjoyable part of your stay in Thailand.  It can also be the most dangerous part of your trip. Make sure you learn how to ride a motorbike in Thailand – find out the differences and types of hazards you are likely to face here.

If you are planning on coming to Chiang Mai, we are only too happy to provide you with a rental bike.  This service is free when you purchase our arrival package or we can arrange it for you in store or via our online concierge service for 200 baht

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Hints and Tips when visiting Chiang Mai

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Some helpful Hints and Tips when visiting Chiang Mai Thailand

Chiang Mai is a wonderful, beautiful and vibrant city, which has grown in popularity among digital nomads, Expats, and tourists from other Asian countries.  Gone are the days when you could just turn up and hope to wander around and have everything fall into place for you.  The most important take away point from this article is ….

Plan before you arrive! Book your Accommodation, know what area you want to stay in, have your arrival prepared

The reality is (especially during peak travel season) Chiang Mai has become a popular choice for many Chinese tourists after the hit movie Lost in Thailand. In addition, it is now the world’s number one Digital Nomad destination with popular Nomading Facebook groups exceeding 3500 members most of them local and growing by 100 new people each month planning on coming here.

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Tip’s Before you arrive in Chiang Mai

1) Know your preferred Location
If you plan to stay here (Digital Nomad, Teachers or Expats) know what area you want to stay in.  Far too many people find a place that looks nice online or go where the taxi suggests. Then they discover (after getting long term accommodation) that they are miles from everyone else, and the locals grasp of English is limited.

Backpackers and tourists: Anywhere in the Old City will be fine
Digital Nomads:  Nimman and Santitham area
Expats: Nimman, Hang Dong, Chang Klan Rd

2) Increase daily Credit Card withdrawal limits
Unless you are staying at high end places, almost everything is done with cash in Thailand. Booking long term accommodation is cheap but will require deposits and payment in advance. Any emergencies that require hospital visits or payment for damaged motorcycles will require cash.  You do not want to find yourself waiting until the next day to withdraw funds.

3) Book in advance in High Season
Chiang Mai is now busy, If you are moving here and are reluctant to make a long term commitment without first seeing a complex in person, book somewhere for a week.  During high season you may not be able to book the place you want.  Now even during what used to be low season it is getting more difficult with many places booked well in advanced..

Temp, Rain, Sunshine and Humidity in Chiang Mai

High Season: October to February

This is our Winter time, which means temps of 25-30C and beautiful clear days.  This is the best time to come for a holiday and the worst time to come if planning on staying a while.

Smokey:  February to 1st rain in March

The local Farmers are burning rice fields and Chiang Mai gets a little haze.  Most of the wealthier locals and Digital Nomads leave during this time.  Those that stay (depending on how bad the smoke gets) can develop a cough or barely notice any difference except for visibility.

Hot Season: March, April and May

Temps range from 25 at night to 35-40 during the day.  Arriving during these months and attempting to walk around looking for long term accommodation in the heat is a tiring and draining experience.  If staying, you want to get a place (or join a gym) with a swimming pool.

Rainy Season, from May to September

It does not rain everyday, and when it does there is cloud buildup and wind that gives you 30 minutes notice and then anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour of rain.  And it is wonderful! The temps drop to a comfortable range, the countryside becomes vibrant and a $3 raincoat from 7/11 is all you need to protect yourself.

4) Mosquito Spray and Sunscreen

Dengue fever is a concern all over Thailand, and mosquito spray is an essential always-carry item.  The cost of sunscreen and mosquito spray in Thailand is probably more expensive than back home.  Buy some and pack it in your bags to bring with you.  Use your insect repellant! There is no vaccine for Dengue and 400 million people infected each year will attest to what a horrible, painful and annoying problem it can be.

5) Learn to Count in Thai

Chiang Mai is a shoppers paradise, but many of the best bargains are from places that do not serve tourists and where no English is spoken.  Often you will be able to get better prices by knowing the numbers.  It is not too much of an issue if you do not learn these numbers as every seller will have a calculator and will show you.  If you’re here for a week or two you can get by without knowing numbers.  If you are planning on staying, these are very helpful to know.

Learn to count from 1 to 100 in Thai from the Learn Thai Podcast

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Tip’s at your Arrival Point

Chiang Mai is unlike any other tourist destination in Thailand. While there is supposed to be a public bus system, you will never see it, nor are there motorcycle taxi’s.  Here the red truck and tuk tuk drivers have the area under their control.  Chiang Mai does have Taxi’s but they are not allowed to drive around the streets looking for customers – they will have to be booked in advanced. The Taxi’s residing and waiting area is at the Airport.

The great thing about Chiang Mai public transport is that the level of harassment and badgering for a ride is almost non existent.  Other cities in Thailand you might be followed as you walk, or refused a ride if you do not pay an over inflated price.  Here the drivers are more civilized.

Having said that, the drivers will attempt to charge more if they see you as a tourist.  knowing what the going rates are will allow you to negotiate a more fair price.

1) Normal Price for Taxi, Tuk Tuk and Red Trucks (Song Thaew)

Taxi Ride from Airport, Bus and Train Stations: 150-160 baht

chiang mai taxiChiang Mai Airport is pretty small and contains two Taxi services.  Each has a stand where you pre-book your taxi giving the staff your destination.  Fares are standardized ranging from 150-160 baht depending on what area you are going.  You will be given a ticket, and shown to the waiting line for the next available ride.  The Taxi’s are honest and the prices are set.  You will pay your driver when you arrive.

The Taxi’s are stationed at the airport and fares are charged from there starting point. Getting a ride back to the Airport is 200-250 baht.  Booking a Taxi for longer travel and periods are around 250 baht per hour. Taxi’s are not stationed at the Bus and Train Stations but you maybe able to flag one down who has just dropped off a customer (rarely).

Tuk Tuk Prices in Chiang Mai: 60-150 baht

chiang mai tuk tukThe Tuk Tuk driver is more likely to ask for a higher price, and then negotiate.  Price depends on distance, time and time of day, so you will want to know your destination.  They will generally start at 100 baht around town, but will come down to 80 Baht.  If you speak Thai you can get one for 60 baht for a trip of 4 kilometers or less.  Over that distance and late at night price will be around 150 baht for a single trip.  You can hire by the hour for around 250-300 baht. Tuk Tuk drivers usually have an excellent command of English.

In Chiang Mai you will not be offered the 20 baht ride tour (if you just stop off at some jewelry stores) scam that is popular in Bangkok.  You might however be taken on the odd occasion to a Karaoke Bar or “abc No2” if you look a little drunk and it is late at night.

Song Thaew Prices in Chiang Mai: 20 Baht (all to yourself or group 100 baht)

red car or songthaew chiang maiBy far the most popular choice for locals, the Songthaew (meaning two rows) is a red truck with two rows of seats that fits 10-12 people and usually has a set route.  The Songthaews are 20 baht per person from destination A to B and anywhere along the route.  Drivers will often take an indirect journey hoping to pick up additional customers.

Hailing a SongThaew (also known as Rot Dang or red car) is as easy as putting your hand up (for one passing) and telling the driver where you are going.  Often an English speaking wife or girlfriend will be in the passenger set, but often English is not spoken.  Finding out your destination in Thai is an advantage but not always needed.

If you are alone or want to take a group of people you can usually get one around town or within 5-6 kilometers for about 100 baht.  A driver will be making 220 baht per trip with a full vehicle, so the starting price will be 200, and then you negotiate.

2) Hold Off getting a Tourist SIM at the Airport

Tourist SIM cards while handy are only a good idea if you are here for a week or so.  By going to one of the major dealers in town and getting a pre-paid phone account you will end up saving a bundle. Tourists SIMs can be topped up, but your paying more for each service, the bundled accounts on the other hand provide discounts for prepaying and end up saving you hundreds of Baht a month.

For more details about Getting a phone plan in Thailand

Tip’s When you are Here

1) Learn to Ride a Motorbike

Getting around and having freedom to visit places and friends is essential.  BUT driving in Thailand is different to where you have come from.  There is a different mental attitude towards riding a motorcycle and a different set of safety considerations.  Do not for a moment explore your freedom to not wear a helmet – this is just asking for trouble.  Almost everyone will get into an accident when riding a motorcycle here.  Whether  you require a band-aid, hospital visit or a body bag depends on how well you prepare yourself for riding a motorbike for Thailand’s conditions.  For more detailed assistance read :How to ride (and survive) a Motorbike in Thailand

2) Dress Modestly: Look at how Thai people Dress.

You will not see a Thai man walking down the street without a shirt on, nor will the women (unless of extreme low class – meaning a working girl) have a wife beater or other revealing clothes.  It does not matter how buff you are or how hard you have worked on your body, displaying bare skin is more or less yelling out “F@ck you and your culture’

This is especially true when visiting temples or religious sites.  In fact at many Wats (Temples) on the tourist map, provide long pants and tops for hire.  At the smaller ones, and smaller cities will not.  Don’t be a twat, you are in another country and being aware of the Cultural differences will greatly increase the ease at which you are able to enjoy yourself

3) Work your way into Thai Food (esp Street Food)

Zimmerman eating thai foodWithout a doubt the food in Thailand is amazing, and cheap!  It also comes with (and requires) different bacteria to process in your gut. Going all out on Thai food when you first arrive will overwhelm your stomach and it is not uncommon for you to get “Thai Tummy”.  Luckily almost every drug store knows this and will sell you charcoal pills and Antibiotics.  To explain to the clerk what you have you say :”tong see-ah”.

Much safer idea (rather than having diarrhea for 4-5 days) is to mix a combination of both Thai and Farang food.  Stick to what your stomach knows, and gradually add in a Thai meal.  After about a week of one or two Thai meals a day you should be fine.  Bear in mind you are likely to pay 4-5 times as much for a western style meal over a Thai meal.

4) Don’t Bring, Buy or Do Drugs

In Thailand a positive drug test is equivalent to possession. There is no right to trial by jury. We are under martial law implemented by a military dictatorship, accordingly you can be arrested and held without charge for 7 days. In the past it was simple and easy to buy and smoke pot.  Police are starting to raid venues where this happened and doing blood tests.

Anyone who has seen the news, knows that no Embassy has any influence over any trial for drug possession here.  It can take years to get to court even if you are able to get released (highly unlikely).  It is just not worth it, if you ‘need’ your drugs, don’t come here.

5) Know When to do a Wai

The Thai Wai (pronounced ‘why’) is a greeting, apology, and sign of respect.  For more specific details go here.  In essence there are 3 types of Wai’s which are generally done, and one for tourist friendliness
know how to wai

1) Older People
2) People of higher social Status including government officials
3) Family, Monks and Religious sites & icons
4) Staff greeting customers

It is the responsibility of the lower ranked person to do the Wai first to the more senior.  Many tourist hink they need to show respect to everyone, but Thailand has a social structure, and you do not want to place yourself at the bottom of it.  Do NOT Wai a waitress or clerk at the 7/11 first.  When they give you a Wai you can then reply with one yourself, or nod your head and say thank you ‘Sawadee Khrap/Ka’.  If you are approaching immigration or pulled over by a policeman – better to start the conversation with a healthy show of respect.

6) Never Yell, Accuse or get into an Argument

In Thailand much of the politeness and smiles is done to avoid the worse sin of all. Losing Face.  Never make an accusation of a Thai person being dishonest (even when they take you to a lady bar and you said McDonald’s).  Your best approach is to say, oh we have a mistake, ‘Mai Ben Rai’ (No worries, not a problem – forget about it – it is OK).  And calmly and quietly (without anyone hearing) explain how you want the situation fixed.

The moment you are loud and the Thai person has lost face, nothing will go in your favor.  Acting with consideration and meekness to the point of accepting responsibility will get you much better results.  Thai people come first in the eyes of Thais, Police and Courts.  There is no dishonor in a Thai person getting 10 of their friends to pay you a visit and show you the price of them losing face.  Always be polite, calm and respectful to everyone (even bar girls) every where.

7) Staying awhile? Get a Bank Account

The overseas transaction costs here are horrific.  The basic credit-card merchant processing for international funds are a minimum of 3.6% per transaction.  When paying with an overseas credit card you will usually be asked to pay an additional 3%. Not to mention the fees your bank charges to withdrawal money from an ATM here.  Having a local account is easy enough to arrange providing you are meeting a few simple requirements.

8) Make an Effort to Speak Thai

thai language appsThis is difficult because lets face it, learning to speak the Thai Language is difficult.  But you can get by remarkably well using some free phone App’s and Google Translate.  When you make an effort to speak Thai, it shows the locals that you respect them (even if they do not understand a word of what you are saying).

By learning to speak a little Thai Language, it allows you to ask prices for goods and services in Thai – which indicates that you are living here and not a tourist.  Just yesterday I heard two Japanese tourists ask a red truck how much for a ride and they where told 50 baht each.  I said to the driver in Thai “50 Baht huh? I give you 20 baht because I am a Thai person”  He laughed and said OK.  (I am a white guy)

9) Use the Toilet Bum Spray not Toilet Paper

Apart from it being far more hygienic to spray yourself after ‘completing the job’, the plumbing pipe thickness in Thailand is small.  Toilets will get clogged up very easily.  You will see signs in almost all public restrooms reminding you to use the bucket provided for your waste paper, etc and not the toilet.  Do it!  But more importantly try to get over your fears about spraying a little water around your ‘nether-region’ It is something that you very quickly get used too, and even begin to enjoy.

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101 tips for living in Thailand

The following brief list comes from the blog post of a traveler with much experience in other cultures and countries. I thought it was worth adding because of the light hearted nature of some of the suggestions.

Eat street food.
Learn to ride a motorbike.
Make an effort to speak the language.
Go to a local football match.
Beware of salty toothpaste.
The words, “Mai bpen rai” (no worries/no problem) will get you far.
Coconut ice cream is always the best.
Always get a fried egg with your gra pao muu (Friend basil and pork).
Chicken (gai), pork (moo), beef (neua), fish (blaa), prawn (gung).
If you are long sighted, get your contacts out of Thailand.
Choose your opticians wisely.
Go to the dentist, it’s cheap and good.
Always wear a helmet on a motorbike and don’t drink and drive.
Experience it.
Check out the temples during festive times. They can be magical.
Go to Chiang Mai for Songkran (at least once).
Yee Peng, Mae Jo university. The best thing in in Thailand by far.
Learn to SCUBA dive. There’s a whole new world out there.
Learn about your VISA’s.
Ensure with every VISA run there’s an experience within it.
Accept that this isn’t your country and to roll with it.
If in the North, buy a face mask during the months of January to May.
Learn to love Thai food. It isn’t all rice and noodles.
Be open to yourself and others
Avoid Beer Chang and avoid buckets.
If it’s monsoon season, be prepared to get wet.
If alcohol is your thing, do it Thai style: whiskey and soda (healthier and cheaper).
Find a good pharmacy, they’ll be as good as a doctor (and cheaper).
Always carry charcoal in case you get a dodgy gut.
Buy Skype credit to call home. It’s cheap cheap.
Be wary of dogs, but understand most of the time its all bark.
Don’t get temple’d out; they are unique, beautiful and important to Thai culture.
Avoid confrontation and raising your voice.
Shoes off in temples.
If you see a pile of shoes, take yours off too.
Always point your feet away from statues of Buddha, especially when taking a photo.
Same goes for teachers.
Never touch a person’s head.
Go for a Thai massage, but be wary some are crappy crap crap.
Be an onion, be prepared; wear layers.
Don’t itch and don’t scratch mozzy bites. Get some Tiger Balm.
Cover up during dusk.
Ensure you have a visor on your helmet if riding a bike during dusk or at night.
If at night, make sure its clear for night driving.
Bungee cords are an invaluable accessory for bikes.
If riding, wear a full face helmet at all times.
If you’re head is worth 1200B then the REAL Helmets are safety tested to international standards.
Keep a close eye out for dogs, cats and elephants when riding.
Get used to the bum spray, you will never look back.
Get a portable Wifi device, it is everywhere.
If you want to guess a WiFi code try the username, 0-9, 9-0, A-J, or the telephone number.
If your Thai is lacking, gestures help a lot.
The Nancy Chandler Map is magical. Get it for Bangkok or Chiang Mai
Get to a rooftop bar in Bangkok for sunset at least once.
Visit Doi Suthep in Chiang Mai at least once.
Learn some local dialects, you will get some smiles.
Money belts and backpacks on your front are not necessary. Have trust.
If you have lost something, don’t panic. Just return and it will likely be there.
Look after your passport 🙂
If in Chiang Mai, eat Khao Soi.
Learn about Buddhism. It will help you in Thailand and help your inner-self.
If you have the opportunity, go on a 10 day Vipasanna meditation retreat.
Learn the culture, watch the movies. Shutter, Nang nak and Ong-Bak.
Go to the cinema.
Banana shakes are amazing.
Banana (gluay), coconut (ma praao), pineapple (sapparot), orange (som).
Noodle soup for a late night snack.
Bummii giaow moo daeng is the bestest.
Delicious (arroy).
Eat a cricket.
Go to the supermarkets and you can buy anything.
Go to the markets and you can buy cheap cheap cheap.
Second hand stores for clothes
Learn to drive a semi-automatic as it’s cheaper and more fun.
Thailand has tendencies to be unstable, learn about the politics.
Satisfy your curiosity and try something new
1669 is the emergency number
The water vending machines are the cheapest way to drink water
Real men don’t buy girls.
Respect women wherever they are from.
Respect Thai culture, especially in more conservative areas.
Start the day with an amazing sunrise, wherever you are.
Buses are cheap.
If you’re ill, eat Tom Yam Gung.
Eating frog is weird.
Western and tourist bars are expensive, go check out some local bars.
Relationships are good, but be aware living in a place like Thailand things can become complicated.
Cover up. STD’s are rife, condoms are cheap.
Drive with a reactive mind more than a proactive mind.
If a local isn’t doing it, maybe you shouldn’t.
Contact lens solution is good for the heat, even if you don’t wear contact lenses.
Be careful when you fart, it might be more.
Don’t be scared to chat about number 2’s, it’s generally accepted here.
Avoid the centipedes.
Always smile, a good heart goes along way.
Try hitching, its fun and doable.
Do good things, good things will happen. Be karmic.
Thailand is very different, accept it and concentrate on why you are living here.
If you never try something, you will never know.
Mango stick rice is hella good.
Have fun, be mindful, be respectful.

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Learn to Teach English in Chiang Mai Thailand

Learn to Teach English in Chiang Mai, Thailand

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Find out how to qualify to teach English in Chiang Mai Thailand

Many people who visit Chiang Mai in Thailand, end up staying for much longer periods than they originally planned.  One of the easiest ways to tackle the Visa and income issues is to get a job Teaching English.  Not so long ago a shaggy headed unshaven backpacker from an English speaking country could walk into any school and get a job.  Today this does not happen, you will need to have an accreditation to show you have been trained to Teach English as a second language.

Thailand has recently started to prepare itself for ASEAN (The Association of Southeast Asian Nations) which has a focus on the economic development of member countries through trade using English as the common language.  The Thai government are currently trying to boost English language skills and schools are on the lookout for native speakers from countries such as the UK, USA, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland and South Africa.  Nationalism has meant Thailand has been slow to promote the English language for many years, usually only required for tourism.  Now however there is a push to have it’s business population and children learn … so the opportunities have never been better.

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Why be an English Teacher in Thailand?

Why be an English Teacher in Thailand

Respect

Teachers (called ‘Kruu’) in Thailand are respected by the student and society alike.  In the rankings of respect and admiration in Thailand, First and foremost is the King and Royal family, then Buddha/Monks and Parents tiring for 2nd place, then come Teachers, following down the list are high ranking Military officials and further down politicians.

As a Teacher of the English Language you will (providing you live up to the reputation) be regarded as an important and essential member of Thai Society.

Pay

Not fantastic by western standards, but sufficient to live here quite comfortably.  Rates vary from 180 to 400 baht per hour, but the average is 250 baht per hour.  The more experienced and qualified you are the higher the rate and employment opportunities.  Full time teaching positions are less common here because of the high number of teachers.

Full time contracts are less common than part time at hourly rates, due to an over supply of demand to learn English over the number of teachers available.  Typically a teacher will get about US $1200 a month or more.

Rewarding

Being a teacher is an incredibly rewarding experiencing, not only because you get to witness the students becoming more proficient and confident; but you also in a prime position to learn about the culture of Thailand from them.  Students will often invite their teachers over for dinner or to join them in celebrations and milestones in their lives.  And a nice bonus is that the children are very polite, quiet and studious.

It goes without saying that you are partaking in the advancement of Thailand’s future.  Whether you stay here or move to another country, or back to your home – you will always feel a deep connection for the country, it’s people and have a sense of family pride as you watch it develop in the future.

Easy Work

Teaching English in Thailand is easy work.  You already have a grasp of the subject matter, and within a month at a proper training school you will be qualified to work.  Your day is usually finished by 4 pm leaving you plenty of time to explore. Thai schools have long holidays so you can explore the rest of Thailand and visit other exciting parts of South-east Asia like Laos, Myanmar, China, India, Cambodia, Vietnam and Philippines.

VISA to stay in Thailand

After the Coup in Thailand, the Military are tightening up on what was previously an free for all ability to come and stay (almost forever) in Thailand.  Now the visa situation is quite honestly becoming a nightmare with people being turned away when Immigration suspect they are not here to contribute to the development of the country.  As a teacher you do not have this concern.  Your employer will arrange and fill out all the necessary forms for you, and once every 90 days you will check in with Immigration.

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Where will you be Teaching English?

After you have completed your 4 week course to qualify as an English Teacher, unless you have previous degree level qualifications in Education you will more than likely find employment with one of the many Private Language Institutes.

Private Language Institutes

Private language institutes are usually small schools of a couple to a dozen classrooms where English language instruction is provided by native English speaking teachers.  Students are paying customers who usually have a specific reason for improving their English skills.  It maybe to assist in current or future employment, to study overseas, or in an attempt to better be able to communicate with a foreign partner.

Language institutes used to be the biggest sector of the English teaching industry in terms of the number of native English speakers employed. However now with the recent government attempts to bring Thailand into economic growth the government run schools have many foreign language teachers.  Getting a position in a government school will require University qualifications or a great deal of teaching experience.

Private language institutes can be found all over the country with the highest concentration in Bangkok, followed by Chiang Mai.  In Bangkok there are hundreds of individual and branches of chained schools.  Language schools are difficult business to run due to the increasing competition and high demands and expectations of the students.  If you are applying to work in one of these companies, especially with a full time or long term contract, you would be prudent to ask how long they have been in business.

Classes in private language institutes can last anything from 1 – 3 hours, with around 2 hours the norm.  There’s usually a  break in the middle of class.  Thais like to have fun and generally don’t have a very long attention span,  so teaching longer classes can be a bit of a struggle towards the end.

The Elite Private Language Schools

The better private language institutes hire teachers with a specific teaching qualification like the CELTA or equivalent.  Without a degree or advanced certification in Education or Teaching it will be extremely difficult to obtain employment here. The Thailand Ministry of Education requires this qualification before they will issue a teacher’s licence, so chances are the schools will not be interested in the candidate without them.

In addition these schools cost sufficiently more for the students to attend.  Usually they are younger adults and business people with advanced qualifications and University degrees themselves.  They will not be able to comprehend or understand that their teacher does not also come without equal or higher status.  Weekend classes are often 3 hours in language institutes.  In a worst-case scenario, a teacher may get 2 x 3-hour classes on each of Saturday and Sunday – which could make for a long and tiring weekend![hr]

Your Likely Students in Language Institutes in Thailand are

Thai Language Students

Most people who start to Teach English in Thailand will be working in private English Schools.  These will have paid students that generally fall into one of 3 categories.

1. School Students

Children already attending school aged fro 5 – 18, who have usually been sent by their parents because they are not doing so well in class, or to give them a head start and advantage over their peers.  School children will be attending English class at night and during the weekend, and under instructions from their parents.  Already burden with massive amounts of school homework, sometimes they are not the most enthusiastic or energetic during English Class.

2. Young Adults / University Students.

They study to improve their English to enhance their current studies which in turn increases the chance of getting a good job, or a promotion if they are already employed. Some also cram to prepare themselves for study abroad. In a small number of cases, they may simply be studying English and biding time because they do not really know what they want to do with their life.

3. Employed Adults.

Adults already in employment, they may be studying to improve their English, to improve their chances of promotion or simply because they are interested in English. Some are interested in English, others have been paid by their employer to increase their understanding.  Language students in this group typically study in the evening and some may choose a Business English course.  These students are keen to learn and often want to talk with native speakers to gain a greater understanding of the world and our thoughts towards Thailand.

4. Older Adults.

Shop keepers who are noticing an increase number of foreigners doing business, partners of English speaking people who want to increase their ability to communicate with other English speaking people.  These students are dedicated and will often want to steer the class and instruction to issues that pertain to their lives.

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How to get Qualified to Teach English Language

Teach English as a Foreign Language Courses & Qualifications

Get qualified to teach english in ThailandIf you have done any research yourself online about how to teach English as a second language in Thailand (or anywhere in the world) you are probably feeling confused.  It seems there are enough acronyms and shortened abbreviations in the Learn to Teach English industry, you could almost complete the alphabet.  IELTS, TOEIC, GMAT, GRE, ELTS, TOEFL, CES, BEET, LSI, TEFL,  and the list goes on and on.  So what does it all mean?

Not all that much.

Many of the business and organizations that have set up to qualify you to teach English have taken advantage of the lack of any world wide universal regulations and standards. There is no central international body with the authority to monitor or accredit all courses, and no co-ordination among education representatives from various countries. The local education department where you are teaching applies their own rules to license TEFL teachers.

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

The Bad News

– In Thailand the Ministry of Education does not look for a TEFL certificate to get a temporary or permanent teacher’s licence.  Obtaining a job via a government department is going to require a degree in Education and probably a good command of the Thai language.

– Anyone can can open a TEFL training center and issue a qualifying certificate. Because the industry is unregulated, there is no requirement to go through the hops to align the business with an accredited training program or University.

– Some schools will self accredit themselves (which means nothing of value), or attach themselves to an education institution.  You should investigate and find out how widely known their accreditation bureau or organization is, whether they are international, and any evidence that they actually moderate the quality of the course.

– There are about half a dozen private international schools in Chiang Mai, although they tend to recruit properly qualified people through overseas agencies. A local with good knowledge and experience might occasionally get work here.

– Signing up for a school with a fabulous website and marketing is no guarantee they have a good reputation among the local schools and private institutions who are likely to employ you.

– Many of the local ESL and TEFL schools work one on one with the private language institutions who are likely to employ you. Employment opportunities are monopolized by the local supply and often not advertized on national or international job boards.

– Online course without class instruction are generally disregarded as a decent qualification on their own.  Teaching is a real world occupation that requires real world experience.  If you are looking at an online course, you should already have other teaching qualifications and looking to educate yourself in the English as a second Language skill set.

The Good News

– There is still a shortage of quality English Teachers here in Chiang Mai.  You will likely over time be able to get to get employment with your non local based training.

– Previous Experience counts, If you are already qualified with an accredited teaching certificate, and have experience, there are positions available in Chiang Mai.

– Westerners who have settled in Chiang Mai and opened local schools here, are heavily invested in providing the best students possible.  They go the extra mile to ensure accreditation and quality of teaching.

– Many English Teaching training schools that run the courses are registered as businesses in the category of training. Most of them operate in conjunction with a school licence permitting them to teach English to Thais.  The good schools will also have healthy working relationship and job placement programs with the various locals employers.  You are likely to obtain employment through your training school.

– Some English as a Second Language Training schools with good reputations will have as part of there course real world experience with what might be potential employers. Also a handy bonus if part of your job interview is going to involve a spontaneous lesson.  Experience counts!

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How to choose which TEFL Training School is best for you.

It is always difficult to make a decision looking online at the various websites for which school you should pick.  Almost Universally the pricing structure of the schools is the same.  It will cost you about US $1,400 to get your training and qualifications to Teach English as a Second Language in Thailand.  If you are looking online for a School to qualify you to Teach English in Chiang Mai make sure you do a little research and look for:

Teaching English Warning
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Accredited with an International TEFL Organization, or University

2) Classroom time, both Learning & Practical in a Language Institute

3) Video Testimonial of past students (anyone can write on a website)

4) Job Placement after training is completed

5) Location of School to your Residence

 

 

Here is a list of the more popular training schools in Chiang Mai

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UniTEFL Chiang Mai

UniTEFL Teach English Chiang MaiUS University validated TEFL International Certificate – 4-week course with lifetime access to worldwide TI jobs network. Real classroom practicums. All inclusive packages with accommodation, job placement and day trips. MA Ed. and Dip. teaching also offered through NEU.

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Chiang Mai University TEFL

Chiang Mai Univeristy TEFL Training SchoolThe only 4-week university accredited TEFL certification program in Chiang Mai. Study an internationally recognized TEFL program on a university campus. Benefit from world class instruction. Teaching practice with Thai students.
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SEE TEFL Chiang Mai

See TEFL Chiang MaiExternally accredited and audited 120-hour TEFL certification from an ISO 9001 company. Benefits include teaching practice in real schools, non-immigrant visa, job guarantee, cultural awareness training, Thai language instruction and internship option. Licensed by the MOE to conduct TEFL programs.
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ECC

ecc Chiang MaiECC Thailand – established in 1990 – offers CELTA, YL Extension to CELTA and TESOL courses to teachers at three great locations: Bangkok, Chiang Mai and Phuket.
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International House CELTA

This is a local branch of a worldwide operation that originally formulated the CELTA certification, which is now monitored by UCLES in Cambridge England and bound by strict standards which set a benchmark. It’s a desirable qualification for those serious about a teaching career but it’s a tough one to pass and significantly more expensive. New purpose built premises, with nearby resort, no add on’s. Courses are staggered, some months there isn’t one offered. Limited spaces. More details.

Entrust TEFL

A relatively new branch of an established group, popular with South Africans, and well reviewed. They work successfully with an agency to place everyone in provincial jobs, and have comfy resort accommodation and social activities. You get to spend 3 full days in a school for practicums and they take you on jungle trips. They train large numbers, and have a shiny new office. They also have a number of professional affiliations. More details.

Green TEFL

A course that only runs when they have sufficient numbers and is an add on to a language school. It’s a cheap alternative but lacks experience, accreditation or credible training credentials. One advantage is that you’ll most likely get hired at the end since they act as recruiters. Frequently run half-price specials. More details.

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Chiang Mai Buddy’s Recommendation ….

At Chiang Mai Buddy we are partial to the Nimman area of town in Chiang Mai.  Luckily for us there is a school located in the area that checks off all the points you should look for when selecting a School to teach and qualify in Teaching English as a Foreign language.

There is also another school located further west closer to the train and railway stations. Both Schools are excellent choices and we are happy to answer questions for you about each as an independent point of view.

Teaching English School Locations

Recommendation for Teacing English in Chiang Mai

UniTEFL Chiang Mai

* Owned by a westerner who loves and is committed to Thailand
* Team has trained more than 600 students together since 2009
* They find their graduates good jobs
* Provide additional tours and cultural experience
* Nice location near Nimminhemin
* Students have real practice with Thai students in real schools
* Excellent local reputation as a quality training center
* One of only 2 TEFL Schools in Chiang Mai that is properly accredited by a worldwide TEFL organization and additionally backed by a US university

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SeeTEFL Chiang Mai

Article CreditFull TEFL Certification (120 hours)
Thai Ministry of Education accreditation
ISO 9001:2008 certification ensures world-wide recognition of SEE’s TEFL program
6 1-hour observed teaching practices with real students at a range of levels and ages in local real schools
Cultural awareness training (1 day)
Survival Thai language instruction (10 hours)
Each course is limited to 18 trainees

Additional benefits:
Optional Accommodation
SEE TEFL provides a job guarantee
Free Non-immigrant visa assistance
Free Volunteer option teaching underprivileged children in Chiang Mai, Thailand
Balance payments are not due until the end of the first day of training
On-going job and living support from the SEE TEFL staff
Free Wireless Internet throughout the training center
24-hour emergency Thai/English helpline
All course materials are included in the course fee
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How to ride a Motorbike in Thailand (and Survive)

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How to Survive when you ride a Motorbike in Thailand

Driving a motorbike or car in any Asian country is one of those experience that if survived becomes stories you tell your friends over a beer. In Thailand many westerners often wonder how most of the people driving managed to get a driver’s license. The reality is most of them don’t!

If you ride in Thailand you are very likely to have an accident. It happens to everyone at some point. Whether or not you survive with your life will depend greatly on following the suggestions and guidelines detailed below. I would go as far as stating … Make them your Rules!

asian driversA common mistake people make is that Asians are bad drivers. They are not. They manage to survive in a chaotic traffic system with more hazards than a reality TV show. It is more accurate to say that they are inconsiderate drivers, but even saying this is based on making false assumptions, based on western culture.

Important: Understand Thai Drivers Mindset

One of the biggest factors (in my humble opinion) that plays a part in how the Asian population drive differently is rooted in the language and lack of time tenses. Bear with me here, as your understanding of this point will allow you to remove your internal common sense expectations of how people ‘should drive’.  Your past expectations of how others should act on the road allows you to drive or ride on auto pilot.  If you do not adapt and change this assumption here in Thailand you seriously increase the risk of having an accident.

In Asian language, it is rare to define a sense of past, present or future tense. In the English language we state everything in an exact frame of time. In Thailand if someone was to say “I am a Teacher” it could mean they used to be, they are studying to be, they are currently, or they will be in the future. The language we use contributes greatly to an individual’s conscious thoughts and makes up our reality. When your primary language system does not place an emphasis on time as a major construct – your ability to grasp future consequences from a single past or present experience, is reduced.

How does the lack of ‘time’ constructs affect Thai drivers?
One of the biggest hazards you will find driving on Thai roads is that almost no one will look for on coming traffic before pulling out of a street, turning a corner or changing lanes.  If you (or I) were to turn from a side street into a major road and have an accident or near miss. Anxiety kicks in and we will adapt our behavior and in future slow down, look for on coming traffic, use your turn signals and proceed with warranted caution.

If a Thai person was to do this (and they do all the time) there conscious process (due to the lack of time concepts in the language) is … “I could have died, but I did not. I have good luck” and that is the end of it. Next time they approach the same situation the anticipation of it happening again is just not there.

Please note that this is a blatant generalization and I do not mean to apply it to every Thai person. But if you assume it does apply you will always be aware of what to look for when riding here.

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So let’s examine how to ride a motorbike in Thailand to survive.

1) Have a Safe Motorbike

Many places that rent motorbikes in Thailand are run by under paid and unskilled staff. The maintenance on the bike and especially the brakes can be lacking. Older motorbikes you hire will have a reduction in it’s ability to accelerate with speed and stop quickly.  Many places also never change the mirrors from stock which are suited to smaller framed people. The difference in rental price of an old and smaller cc rating bike compared to a new and larger engine is about 500 baht a month. Pay the extra $15 and get a good, new, bigger and safer bike. If you are in Chiang Mai, check here for exactly this

What to look for when you hire a motorbike:

125cc motorbike. Westerners are bigger and heavier and need the extra power

New vs Older Bike: Older bikes not only use more gas, they lack acceleration power and sometimes you will need it to avoid an accident.

Extended Mirror: Not many Thai people even use the mirrors. They just do not check behind them before swapping lanes. We do, make sure you can see behind you.

Check the brakes: This is an essential requirement but not one many rental places are able to comprehend the importance of.

Thicker tires: A common reason many people have accidents is when the wheel slips from under the bike when riding over sand or gravel on the road. Using a thicker wheel helps maintain stability and prevent this.

2) Wear your Helmet!!!

How to ride motorbike in Chiang MaiYou will notice that many local people and tourist do not wear helmets when riding a motorbike in Thailand. If you get stopped by the police the instant ‘gift’ fine is only 200 baht (about US $6) and it is tempting to justify ‘when in Rome….’

This abundance of freedom (that makes western road rules and law enforcement seem like a nanny state) is alluring to some.  The more adventurous (I will go as far as weak minded and easily influenced) gravitate towards experiencing this new freedom and ride without a helmet.  If you do this your an idiot – plain and simple.  Remember, chances are high that if you ride a motorbike in Thailand you are going to have an accident. Not wearing your helmet IS the difference between a few scratches and your loved ones having to arrange for your body to be shipped home.

Bear this in mind: The Thai transport cleanup crew does not like to touch internal organs (it is a cultural thing). As someone living here I can guarantee you, pieces of your brains will remain on the lamp post you hit until they dry up, rot and blow away. Try Goggling an image search ‘motorbike accidents Thailand’ to see pictures of brains and body parts splattered around the road to reinforce this point. Just wear your helmet!!!

Many people look around them and can justify not using common sense because it seems as if  ‘everyone else does it’. Despite any justifications you can tell yourself, for those people who have lived here long enough to see the result of westerners not wearing a helmet .. you might as well be wearing a t-shirt that says “I am too stupid to live” because that’s what most people are thinking when they see you.

3) Drive at a reasonable speed

We all know speed kills, this is nothing new.  It is very easy on the automatic scooters in Thailand with the room to ride through traffic to do it at speed.   I have a bigger bike, and I am constantly looking at my speed and asking myself “If I crash now will I live”? And I do this because I have seen the end result of people who are too relaxed when they ride.  You need to remember that the chances of someone else pulling out in front of you or switching lanes without looking or stopping mid traffic are many many times higher in Thailand than what you are used to in your home country.

The ability to swiftly zip in and out between cars is easy here. The motorbike gives you much more opportunity to bypass the congestion of cars in traffic. In fact doing this will become second nature to you. Just always be aware as you are riding between cars, chances are someone else will pull out in front of you as they move into the space between cars. And they will not be looking for you coming.

No one in Thailand is in a hurry. You do not need to be either.

4) Drive next to the center white line

On a two lane road, in most countries it is suggested that you ride on the left side of the lane. This is to avoid cars coming up behind you at faster speeds and being hit from behind. In Thailand this is dangerous because (not sure I mentioned this or not before) people will pull into your path without looking. They will come from the side streets on your left and pull out from parked positions from your left. Riding on the left side of the lane makes you a closer target, and gives you less room to avoid them.

Riding the center line gives you the opportunity to look ahead and see potential danger.  It also allows you to smoothly transition between and around cars on the road. Most Thai vehicle drivers will leave enough space on the left and right hand side of their vehicle for a motorbike to get by. And at stopped traffic they will usually leave room between the cars front and rear for you to zig zag your way around the cars and through traffic.

Do not ride the center line when ….

When you are on a major freeway – Freeways seldom have cross streets where someone can pull out on your left.  The cars are going faster and there is no reason for you to take up a whole lane. The far left of the road is the safest place to be.

When you are on a single and narrow road with curves you can not see around. Expect cars and motorbikes coming in the opposite direction to be in the middle of the road. Give yourself room to be out of the way.

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Other hazards to watch for

Riding a motorbike in Thailand is not a time or place you want to mentally relax and enjoy the view. You will need to be 100% consciously aware of everything happening to you and within the next 100 meters. You will soon realize once you start to ride here that things are different. The traffic while chaotic has a flow and a system about it. You will need to focus on what is ahead and anticipate several possibilities.

Lack of Accident Media Coverage:  They do not like to report in the Thai media anything that might hinder the tourist perception of Thailand. Road accidents (especially non Thai’s) are not reported so it is easy to forget that this country ranks in the top 5 of most dangerous places to ride.  Don’t let the lack of you noticing the accident rate fool you into a sense of security.

Painted Lines on the Road:  When it rains or a shop owner has washed the front of their store and the road is wet – the painted road markings become very slippery.  Avoid riding close to them and if you are turning and crossing the path of a a painted piece of road, slow down and use as gradual turn as you can manage.

Chinese Tourists:  Watch out for Chinese tourists, easily spotted because the woman on the back of the bike will have an open map and they are all over the road looking for sites to stop at. The Chinese tourists have a tendency to just stop where ever they want, including right in front of you without looking. When you spot them, move to the left or right and do not follow directly behind them

Do not look at the view:  When riding (especially in Chiang Mai) there are many things that can distract your attention. Temples are everywhere, the 3 or 4 cute child monks walking along the road. The incredibly beautiful women on the side of the road or on the motorbike next to you. The food stalls, and the Elephants and Buffalo that can be on the roads. You need to focus 100% on what might happen on the road in front of you – not how amazing everything is on the sidelines.

Gravel and sand:  One of the biggest causes of non fatal accidents in Thailand is when the motorbike wheel skids out of control and the bike skids. This usually happens when riding too close to the left side of the road or when pulling over to stop somewhere.Look out for the condition of the road and especially watch out for sand and gravel on the sides of the road and entrance ways to parking lots.  A lot of sand or stones tends to be safer than just a little bit.  Be careful either way.

sand on roads in Chiang Mai

Sand and gravel on the side of the road, a sure fire way to topple your motorbike

Use your Mirrors:  Thai people as a rule do not use them. You should monitor behind you on a regular occasion. But also be aware than the person in front of you will not. They will not see you coming if you decide to pass them. Give yourself enough space to avoid them moving directly into you as your passing.

Do not assume green means GO:  The general rule seems to be a yellow light means speed up, and when the red light turns on it means the 5th car behind you will have to stop – but you are OK to go.   Again no one looks, they will keep going through a red light. If you are in the front of the cue and the light turns green, just look and make sure no one is coming. Chances are they will be.

Lane changing without turn signals. It is very common for both car drivers and motorbike riders to change lanes without signaling. For the motorbike rider you are constantly swapping lanes and driving between cars because you can. Often the blinker light will stay on because the turn was not sufficient to auto switch off, and it becomes easier to not use the indicators for lane changes.  Cars will often switch lanes or just drive in the middle of one for a while and then move over.Be aware that anyone in front of you or to your side can and probably will move without looking or warning.

Song Thao Stopping mid street to pick up pedestrian

Song Thao Stopping mid street to pick up pedestrian

Tuk Tuk’s and Songthaews:  These will stop anywhere suddenly to pick up passengers. If you see a Tuk Tuk ahead of you that is empty expect it to stop suddenly or slow every time it passes people on the side of the road. The same is true for the two row trucks (Songthaews). Often the reason cars are driving in the middle of the road or traffic comes to a stop is because of the public transportation.

Police:  Not sticky a hazard, the police in Thailand do not get paid much, and it is common for them to supplement their income with ‘instant fines’ at road side check points.  Westerners are targeted simply because we have money and are likely to be breaking the law.

thai police checkpointNot wearing a helmet is an instant 200 baht fine (US $6), not having a valid drivers license 400 baht.  Possession of drugs – instant jail for a very very long time.  The police will usually ask for more, but these figures are usually accepted unless you have a wallet full of cash.

Police checkpoints are just part of the scenery here, and after the Coup more common.  You will no doubt feel indignant and feel like you are being singled out – smile politely admit your wrong doing, apologize and bear it.

Western Attitude: We in the west have a culture that inflates our perception of our own importance and rights.  As such we naturally tend to take almost anything as an attack on our sense of ego, and we attempt to defend ourselves.  In Thailand, this attitude is seen as a sign of an immoral and disgusting person.  Here you do what you can to avoid losing face (embarrassing yourself or others).  Raising your voice, disputing statements made (calling someone a lair) pointing, arguing etc are all behaviors that quickly erode any respect Thai people will give you.  And they show their contempt by smiling and laughing (they will not lose face displaying conflict or anger).

If you are pulled over at a check point, or involved in an accident, or have someone cut you off, your fault or theirs the response is always the same.  You politely nod your head (to younger people) or perform a Wai (hands to the head and bow) to older people or officials and say “Mai Ben Rai”. This roughly translate to No problem, No worries, It is OK, and once it is spoken, it ends the matter.

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Can Digital Nomads work in Thailand on Tourist Visa

Can a Digital Nomad Work in Chiang Mai, Thailand?

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There has been a lot of speculation and opinions concerning the question can a digital nomad can work in Chiang Mai, while staying in Thailand on a tourist Visa. The opinions and answers to this matter range from “yes” to “yes BUT” to “No”. Let’s clear up all the myths and misinformation because the reality is, that most of what people are hearing, repeating and sharing is wrong

My own opinion has run the gambit, starting in the flat out “No” camp and then started to read articles online and was influenced by people who appeared to know more than I did; (or at least claim with a confident sense of authority). For example this article by jonez450reloaded sounded impressive and I followed the links that were cited. The article changed my mind to the “It’s fine and O.K. to work as a nomad on a Tourist Visa” view point.  I did not bother to read the whole articles and just skimmed the headlines.  Big Mistake!

A meeting with my Lawyer regarding my own Thai company reveal my views were based on cherry picked knowledge (oh boy I was wrong again).  I decided to follow-up on this because he was of the opinion coworking spaces are on the target list of local Immigration as are some digital nomads.  It did not take too much effort to find that much of the advice and opinions given by the nomad community about this topic have come from distortions of quotes in original sources, or taken from newspaper reports quoting people essentially saying “I don’t know but I think …”

Let’s take a skeptical look at where our information is coming from and examine what is real and what is wishful thinking.

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Update: 5th Feb

This update information comes from a coworking space owner who has a vested interest in Nomads. Unfortunately (again) not prepared to go on the record officially or have themselves identified. Following up on my inquiry to them before this post was made they have said … Immigration have informed them …

  • They are not interested in digital nomads in particular but they are looking for foreigners that do illegal work like selling/exporting goods from Thailand online eg. Selling Thai made Furniture from Baan Tawai Market online.
  • Immigration said because they are under the military internal security act, they are forced by the military to be more strict.
  • They suspect foreigners that stay in Thailand for a long time go to work at the same place.
  • Coworking spaces are consider in the same group as Cafes and safe to work from.
  • No one is going to get deported
  • It is not just Immigration who decide to go on a Raid. It is also other departments such as Police and Military

Question and Think

What does this new Information mean?

This updated information does not really provide any new details except

1) Immigration is not the single authority who decides what and when to raid places.
2) Added hearsay credibility to the no one will be deported knowledge base

The same texts (info obtained via facebook chat) have been sent to others who have also blogged about it coming to different conclusions.  I know that the tone of my post is cautious and others paint a more upbeat position.

For a balanced view, between the overly cautious and upbeat check the Hobo with a laptop link at the end of this post

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In a Nutshell

Conclusion In a Nutshell: Can a Digital Nomad Work in Chiang Mai, Thailand?

  • It is Illegal to work as a digital nomad on a tourist visa
  • Immigration say they are not concerned with Nomads working at home, at cafe or on their first (possible 2nd) Tourist Visa
  • Immigration appear to be concerned with Nomads (or anyone) using multiple Tourist Visas and using ‘Offices’ (essentially not a Tourist but living here)
  • Immigration are concerned with Nomads (or anyone) promoting they are working and making money in Thailand without a Work Permit.
  • Almost all opinions shared by the community come from repeating misquoted or cherry picking original sources
  • Chiang Mai Immigration are still actively investigating and collecting evidence
  • It seems only nomads fitting a certain profile are at risk

It is important to note that sources I have obtained my information from have said nothing officially.  This information is admittedly given as hearsay from me to blog post.  But, (and it is an important but) – This information comes from people working in the legal and immigration systems in Chiang Mai.
Let’s be realistic from the start, why would anyone go on record placing themselves in the hot seat for a ‘blog post’? 

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Let’s examine how we are getting incorrect Information

Cherry Picking Facts!  As is often the case on the internet, the news report linked in the post by people to support their opinions are often wrong.  In the case of jonez450reloaded, in which he concludes digital nomads can work in Thailand … “There’s no grey area, the answer is yes. You don’t have to believe me: Immigration has said so. That article links to a story at Chiang Mai City News quoting Pol. Col. Rutphong Sanwanangkun, Superintendent of Chiang Mai Immigration who is paraphrased as saying

“If you are a ‘digital nomad’ running your own business on the internet, the immigration office says you can do this on a tourist visa.”

In Reality
The first article actually reported in the Asian Correspondent quotes quoting Pol. Col. Rutphong Sanwanangkun as

“Generally speaking, to work in Thailand, foreigners should hold non-immigrant B visas and must obtain work permits from their employers. However, the increasing number of people working online does not fit into any neat visa category”.

The second article in Chiang Mai News, is referring to the Aug 20th meeting organized by the Chamber of Commerce.  This meeting was mostly aimed at Expats, Business and Retired people.  In this article the reporter gives the paraphrased response.

“If you are a ‘digital nomad’ running your own business on the internet, the immigration office says you can do this on a tourist visa.”

This one sentence is NOT what Immigration spokespeople said, this is a reporter giving her opinion of what was said.  Does this matter?  Hell yes!  There is more to the story.  This was an off the cuff comment made by a spokesperson, referring to the change in visitor demographics and his opinion.  Granted his opinion is more valid than yours or mine – but it is not the complete story.

In the Beginning

Thai Immigration Law

Thai Law which clearly and definitely says … You can not undertake any work in Thailand while you are here on a Tourist Visa.  This is clearly written on every single Visa application form, in the details about filling in the form, on any website dealing with immigration assistance.  This is not a grey area at all.  People can ‘hope’ that the new paradigm of the Digital Nomad means countries will have to adapt their immigration laws to cope with it. Hoping and wishing does not mean it is true.  To be fair to Chiang Mai Immigration, they have stated they are not concerned with enforcing the law for most digital nomads here on a Tourist Visa.  But as you will see further down – not all nomads are safe!

The PunSpace Raid

Can Digital Nomads work in Thailand

On October 1st 2014 PunSpace (a coworking place), was raided as reported by telecomasia.net as a “bungled raid on a digital nomad co-working space in the northern city of Chiang Mai”:  One of the 18 (some reports say 11) people detained was well known nomad and Chiang Mai resident Johnny FD. Johnny informed a concerned nomad community what was happening with his blog about the situation with regular updates. Much of the guessing and speculation began here in the comments about Johnny’s attempt to report what was happening. Much of the theories and opinions where based around there being no charges laid, and everyone being released.

Because no one was charged speculation went from ‘bungled’ headlines to ‘everything is fine, they just did not understand what a digital nomad was’.  My research suggest in fact Immigration know exactly what a digital nomad is. The often online repeated statement “They did not know what a digital nomad was’ came from this news report which quotes a staff member of Punspace who actually said

““The soldiers asked ‘what are these farang (foreigners) doing here?’ They didn’t know what we are”. 

Let’s examine this more ….  A Punspace staff member was talking to a soldiers (the hired guns) not to Immigration personal.  The same newspaper report in the next paragraph states plainly

“An immigration official refused to answer questions about the raid, but confirmed they were monitoring places like Punspace “with lots of farang” as part of an ongoing investigation.”

The major impression we are given as a result of this raid is that Immigration did not know what a digital nomad was.  The factual reality is that Immigration declined to justify the reasons for the raid, but stated they are continuing to investigate.  These two conclusions are not the same thing.

The English Teacher Raid

17 Foreigners Arrested for Teaching Illegally in Chiang Mai

On January 23rd 2015 at 12.30am, Chiang Mai Immigration raided a modified office room in the ground floor of Riverside Condo on Chiang Mai-Lamphun Road and detained 17 foreigners, who were teaching English on Skype. The raid as reported by Bangkok Post has been copied and pasted and commented upon in online forums all over Chiang Mai and Thailand, with the usual speculations and opinions being expressed about the whys and whats of working in Thailand.

All 17 foreigners were taken to Mae Ping police station to be prosecuted, and their passports and laptops were seized. The were held for 8 hours before being release.  Prosecutions are intended for each of them, but as of yet I could not determine how many would be charged and deported.

Interestingly while this is simply a breach of the law, Chiang Mai News reported Officials saying they believe the teachers were tutoring “Chinese Spies” and have reported the matter to Thailand’s Security Affairs Section and Chiang Mai’s Chinese Consulate.  Training Chinese Spy’s? On the ground floor of a condo unit, in plain site of everyone!  Let’s not forget we are in Thailand, and in Thailand the Farang is always wrong, no matter what the situation is.

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The Digital Nomad able to work … Speculation says ….

The information given online, in forums, by word of mouth is totally inconsistent. I admit that I gave my own impressions of what I thought the situation was as well. And my ‘opinion’ was influenced and formed with intellectual laziness.   I did not take the time to go to the source of information and in hindsight I did what every human being tends to do.  I selected the opinions of others that fitted into what I wanted or already believed – and I downplayed information that contradicted this.

Over the course of the last few months, my opinion and advice regarding our ability to work here has shifted from yes to no to yes.  Like almost everybody giving their advice, I did the best to repeat what I hoped was the situation without actually looking into the reality of the situation with any effort.

There is too many different versions of what is possible and what is not possible, but the general consensus of the majority of online commentary experts seems to be…..

1. It is illegal to work on a tourist visa

2. It is illegal to work on a tourist visa, but just do it anyway

3. It is the same thing as checking your emails or going on Facebook

4. It is not illegal to work in Thailand as long as you are not working for a Thai company, receiving pay in Thailand and the work you do is not for Thai nationals.

5. As long as you don’t actually do a job a Thai person can do Immigration have no problems, especially if it’s online

5. It’s a grey area, there are no laws regarding digital nomads working here, let’s work and wait and see

Whats the Real Story!

Background
On Friday 30th January, I went to see my Lawyer, [edit] I have removed the reasons I went to see the Lawyer as that revelation while used to give evidence of my sincerity could be used against me at a later date. [end edit]  and the conversation turned to Digital Nomads.  Long story short.

What the Lawyer Told Me

Cutting to the chase because you have had to read a bit to get to this point.  Here are the main points

  • The person quoted in all the press statements from Immigration is a spokesperson he does not make decisions, there is another section that does this.
  • It is illegal to work in Thailand on a Tourist Visa – that’s it bottom line
  • Immigration needs to prove in court that someone is breaking the law to get them deported
  • Immigration is now actively collecting this evidence for future arrests to provide proof
  • Punspace was not a bungled misunderstanding, they knew what a nomad was, and got statements as evidence
  • Immigration’s investigators are likely to have joined and monitoring Facebook groups and nomad forums to ‘watch & record’
  • Not every Digital Nomad needs to be worried

Obviously I was greatly disturbed by this.  I am a member of this community and as much as I care for your safety and well-being, – you lot and your friends are my customer base.  My lawyer said that not all hope was lost, Immigration were targeting specific criteria, and while technically illegal to work in Thailand at all without a work permit;  For now, Immigration are not concerned with the average digital nomad working while they travel. :By average” they are referring to the nomad with a 3 month stay in Thailand on their way to other places.

I wanted confirmation of this and had my staff call [edit] My staff members associations with the Immigration office were provided to establish credibility.  This has been removed as it could potential create problems in the future. The basic gist was I was trying to arrange a meeting) [end edit]

The Nomads being Targeted

There is bad news: It is illegal to work in Thailand on a Tourist Visa. It does not matter if your company is in another country or you are not taking work away from Thai people, or selling products in Thailand, or working for a foreign company selling to a foreign company.  A Tourist Visa is for a holiday.  If you intend to work while you are in the Kingdom of Thailand you do not come on a Tourist Visa legally stating on the application that you will not be working. If you are making an income or exchanging your time for a potential income – YOU ARE WORKING!

And good news:  For now only specific people are going to have a problem. Local Immigration officers are fully aware of what a nomad is and how we contribute to the economy.  Immigrations major concern is to remove undesirable elements from Thailand.  This is one of the major reasons the Visa run of the past has been shut down.  The thinking is, if you can not afford to leave the country and obtain a Visa to return, you are not contributing to the ‘Happiness of Thailand”.  In other words, your poor – go away.  By the same token, if you are making money and living here long term, but are not paying the required fees to obtain a Work permit – you are not contributing to the ‘Happiness of Thailand”

What is the criteria Immigration investigators are concerned about?

  • Anyone working from anything that can be defined as a ‘Office”.  This includes condos converted into Offices (as in the Skype English Teachers) and spaces deemed to look like an Office (rented enclosed working spaces in coworking spaces) and actual rented Offices
  • Anyone who publicly states they are working in Thailand as a digital nomad without a work permit. Investigators are looking at Forums, Facebook groups, Nomad seminars with a fee, and personal blogs – and collecting evidence

What are Immigration investigators not concerned about?

  • Visitors who are holidaying in Thailand as part of an extended overseas vacation
  • People working from inside their own condo or apartment
  • People working in open cafe (something that does not resemble an office)
  • People without a history of living here repeatedly
  • People who are working and not openly promoting they are breaking the laws of the Kingdom of Thailand.

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What happens if you are arrested?

Section 54 of the Immigration Act

In case there is an order of deportation for the alien; while waiting for the alien to be deported the competent official may order the alien to stay at any prescribed place or he may order the alien to report to him ( competent official ) according to a prescribed date, time ,and place with Security or with Security and Bond. The competent official may also detain the alien at any given place as many be necessary.

Immigration may hold you for 48 hours to complete their investigation and then further extend this to 7 days if need be. Any detention longer than 7 days must be approved by a court. Hence you are more likely than not to appear before a judge within 7 days after being arrested.The expense of detention and deportation will be charged to the person involved.

If you are arrested, you will be taken to Immigration, who will cross reference you to the information they are collecting.  If you are on the suspect list, it will be assured this time they will have the evidence to take the matter further. (if they decide to). They are collecting information from Blogs, Facebook posts and other sources we like to chat in. You will be given time to arrange for legal representative, and contact your Embassy; but Immigration have the right to detain you in a location of their choosing.  This maybe in locally, in Bangkok or they may let you return to your place of residence.

It is likely based on the history with over stayer, if you can show the means to leave, you will be released and given the ‘opportunity’ to leave the country.  BUT If you have ever watched Thai news on TV or read the papers; Thai authorities love to parade their good deeds in the media. Not only parade them but as in the case of the English lessons via Skype, they justify with exaggerated claims it was a “spy training ring

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What is the Chance of anything happening?

I freely acknowledge, that I, like everyone (except a few people within Chiang Mai Immigration) have no idea what might or might not happen. This matter is of concern to me because it at the base level affects my bottom-line.  Nomads are my income base, and I have no intention of wanting to scare anyone away from Chiang Mai.

Best that can be done at this point is to examine what is known, what is uncertain (and define it as uncertain) and what is known to be myth. For me, just 1 day ago I was saying any threat of Immigration deporting digital nomads was a myth.

Now I know this is not the case.  But luckily it is not every nomad, and you can easily avoid any risk by following a few common sense decisions. Sadly it would seem the people who are openly and actively promoting Chiang Mai as the place for Nomads to come, are most affected.

Here is what is known:

  • It is Illegal to work here on a Tourist Visa.  That’s it bottom line.  This is the Law, even if it is a law that has not kept up to date relating to digital nomads.  Even if it is a law that has not been actively enforced for whatever reasons. Even if it will damage the economy of Chiang Mai – this is the law as it stands and at any time it can be enforced.
  • Immigration has stated that the single entry Visa tourist who works from home, or a cafe or a coworking space in an open area is not of concern to them and should not have any problems.
  • Most of the information that we are using to base our decisions on are cherry picked from articles, misquoted, or from people guessing.  Repeated misinformation does not make it true, no matter how many people want to think it is.
  • Most of what you read, including previous comments I have made is copied and pasted wishful thinking
  • Chiang Mai Immigration are conducting further investigations.  They are monitoring and collecting information on people who are openly sharing that information online.
  • Immigration is collecting evidence in order to be prepared to prosecute and deport aliens they feel are a detriment to Thailand.
  • Immigration knew what they where doing when they raided Punspace.
  • Punspace, and other coworking spaces are going to be visited again.  It is possible that only those people in ‘offices’ will be detained, it is possible their will be a list of people being looked for, it is possible it is a scare tactic
  • Immigration have names and details of high profile people openly advertising they are earning money while living in Thailand

Here is what is Unknown

  • If digital nomads is a priority for the new government (Army) or local Chiang Mai Immigration
  • If this is a nationwide thing or just a concern for Chiang Mai
  • If this is a national policy or instigated by one member of the local Chiang Mai office
  • If any real action will be taken on the information gained from Immigrations ‘ongoing investigations’
  • If Nomads under the “no concern” position of the spokesman comments, is real policy.
  • If digital nomads have any official status (negative or positive) with Immigration
  • If a case can be put forward on our behalf by local Thai business people
  • If this is a real threat or just posturing for publicity

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What can be done?

Latest update: You can get a volunteer work permit for 30,000 baht for web based services.  And other type of Visas

Get a Thai Visa or Work Permit

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Conclusion

 

The bottom line is ….

1) It IS illegal to work here on a Tourist Visa – get this stuck in your head. There are no special circumstances or exceptions!

2) Immigration spokespeople have stated that they are unconcerned with enforcing this for the vast majority of digital nomads passing through Thailand on a Tourist Visa. (and maybe those living here quietly)

3) Immigration are conducting further investigations and have a criteria they are looking for that make us a possible risk

a) Working from something that looks like an Office.
b) Consistent long time residency in the Kingdom of Thailand on Tourist Visas
c) Openly flaunting you are working and living here
d) Exporting Online products that are made in Thailand (added Feb 5)

4) So far nothing has been acted upon specifically targeting digital nomads.  The Skype English teachers were targeted because they were using an Office, and possible training Chinese spies (read with unbelievable sarcasm)

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I will repeat again, the day before I investigated and wrote this, I was of the opinion that there is nothing to be concerned about with Immigration raids and being deported.  I still think this to be the case for almost all of the digital nomads living in Chiang Mai for being deported; rather fines will be levied.

I have changed my mind on the possibility of there being no further raids on coworking spaces, although I doubt will end up with any or many arrests.  I am certain (as I can be on hearsay) that investigations and information collection is happening; weather anything will come of it, I have no clue.  I would love to think (maybe hope) that through being observed, the positive light of an open and sharing community of travelers will be shown.  I would like to think that a deeper understanding of the nomad community will help lead to Visa reform.

Imagine if Thailand became the first country to accept and embrace the digital nomad movement? Imagine how much media attention and increased tourists they would get if they provided a place that supported the latest version of the entrepreneur?

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Thai Massage Chiang Mai (in your Home)

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Thai Massage Chiang Mai: Get a Outcall Spa Quality Traditional Thai Massage in your Home

Chiang Mai Thai Massage Callout Service

Now you can get a Spa quality Thai Massage in your own home with the Spa Thai Massage Callout Service from Chiang Mai Buddy. Khun Orr, is a highly qualified and experienced masseuse in multiply Spa, Relaxation and Treatment Massage methods.  Get the convenience of a quality Thai massage in your own home in the central Chiang Mai area.

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What is a Thai Massage?

Traditional Thai massage does not use no oils or lotions. The person receiving the massage remains clothed during a treatment, which lasts between one and two hours. There is constant body contact between the giver and receiver, but rather than rubbing on muscles, the body is compressed, pulled, stretched and rocked.

The person getting the massage usually wears loose, comfortable clothing and lies on a mat or firm mattress on the floor. While it is common now in Tourist areas of Thailand to have shop fronts with many customers at a time, the true ancient style of the massage requires that the massage be performed solo with just the giver and receiver. The receiver will be positioned in a variety of yoga type positions during the massage, and deep static and rhythmic pressure is applied using many parts of the body.

The massage follows designated patterns of flow and movement, following lines (“sen”) in the body. The massage therapist will position the body of the person into beneficial poses and positions using their legs and feet.  In other positions, hands fix the body, while the feet do the massaging. A Thai massage session typically includes rhythmic pressing and stretching of the entire body. This may include pulling fingers, toes, ears, cracking knuckles, walking on the recipient’s back, and moving the recipient’s body into many different positions. There is a standard procedure and rhythm to the massage, which the giver will adjust to fit the receiver.

Thai massage focuses on 10 energy points in the body, known as sen, though there are over 70,000 recorded sen in all. It separates itself from other types of massage in that their is a spiritual aspect involved, and a properly trained masseuse will conduct a short prayer before commencing in order to focus their energy on the task. Aspects of yoga are incorporated in the massage, bending and twisting the torso to ‘reset’ the muscular-skeletal position. The procedure is a slow and patient one, with most attention given to areas that are most muscular, such as the thighs. There aren’t many brutal movements in this form.

The most active tool in a masseuse’s arsenal is the thumb, however; as with the fingers, there is indirect pressure applied and the ball of the digit is used rather than the tip. A correctly trained Thai massage practitioner will avoid sensitive areas such as the knees. If you have ailments or chronic problems sensitive to body pressure, you are advised to receive your massage from a professional spa, where the masseuse will usually quiz you beforehand so as to avoid anything painful and harmful. It’s also not advised to go for a massage directly after eating. (Acknowledgement: Some sentences taken from onestopchiangmai.com)

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This is a quality Thai Massage, not a 200 baht tourist experience from a pretty little thing you would find along a market street with no training, strength or skill.  A genuine Thai Massage from a gifted therapist available as a call out service in your own home of office.

Thai Massage Call Out NanaKhun Nana, is a Spa Massage specializing in Traditional Thai Massage.  Also well trained and qualified, Nana has been providing Thai Massage in it’s various forms for over 5 years.  In addition her comprehension of English enables you to communicate with her and get treatments especially designed for your immediate needs.

No need to go to a spa and wait – you arrange the time and she will come to you.

This is a quality Thai Massage, not a 200 baht tourist experience from a pretty little thing you would find along a market street with no training, strength or skill.  A genuine Thai Massage from a gifted therapist available as a call out service in your own home of office.

 

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Types of Thai Massage Available

Traditional Thai Massage Chiang MaiTraditional Thai Massage

Time: 1 hour
Cost: 350 Baht

The Traditional Thai Massage uses hands and the masseuses’ own body to apply force, stretches and pressure on more than 100 parts of the body.

While the stretching and pressure can cause a little discomfort at first when applied to tense muscles, afterwards you feel amazingly relaxed, with the body tissues increased flexibility your blood circulation and over all energy levels increase.

Traditional Thai Foot Massage Chiang MaiTraditional Thai Foot Massage

Time: 1 hour
Cost: 350 Baht

The Traditional Thai Foot Massage uses Reflexology and works the internal organs of the body through manipulation of pressure points on the soles of the feet.

A combination of a vigorous foot massage and the use of wooden pins to apply pressure into the acupressure points located in the feet. The Thai Foot Massage does remarkable things for tired and sore feet, increasing stimulation of the body (some say producing a detoxing effect) but leaves you feeling relaxed and feeling healthy.

Thai Head Back Sholders Massage Chiang MaiHead Back & Shoulders Thai Massage

Time: 1 hour
Cost: 400 Baht

The Thai Head Back and Shoulders is a vigorous massage around the back and Shoulders designed to loosen tense muscles and make them submit into relaxation.  Followed by a soothing face and head massage.

This massage requires much more physical energy and work from the therapist and is guaranteed to leave you feeling like a relaxed mellow blob of your former self.

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Getting a retirement Visa Thailand

How to get a Retirement Visa in Thailand

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Thai Visa: How to Retire in Thailand

Chiang Mai, Thailand has for many years been one of the world’s top locations for Expats around the world to look at for retirement living.  The cost of living here is one of the cheapest in the world (great if you are surviving on a pension) – yet this modern northern city also provides all the benefits and luxuries you will find at home.  Chiang Mai is an exciting and vibrant city that you come to live the rest of your life, filling it with as much excitement and adventure, or opportunities to relax and enjoy as you choose.

Click here to get an idea of how far your dollar will go in Chiang Mai

Click here for information on other types of Visas (Not Retirement)

Get a Thai Visa or Work Permit

How to get a Retirement Visa to retire and live in Thailand

Obtaining a retirement Visa to come and live in Chiang Mai (or anywhere in Thailand) is still a pretty cheap and easy experience.  You can apply both within Thailand (changing your tourist Visa after deciding Chiang Mai is the place for you) or apply before you come from your home country.

In a NutshellIn a Nutshell to qualify for a Retirement Visa

50 years of age
Passport with 18 months left before expiring
Proof of Funds 800,000 Baht or US$ 25,000 or
Proof of income 60,000 a month or US$2,000
Fee 1900 Baht

N.B. It is often easier to get your Visa from your home countries consulate

 

Lets now look at some of the detailed requirements and process to apply for your Retirement Visa. At the beginning it can look like quite a bit of documentation, but as you go through the list and select which options apply for you, it will become less confusing.

Update:  Immigration Meeting at the Chiang Mai Expats Club
On 22 October, 2014 senior members of the Chiang Mai Immigration Department spoke at the monthly meeting of the Chiang Mai Expats Club (CEC) at Le Meridian Hotel. The Immigration officials developed a thorough presentation of the regulations concerning retirement visas and extensions, re-entry permits, 90-day reports, workload at the local office and other matters of interest to CEC members.

Video Topic Time Selection

0.00-7.00 Introduction  |  7.00-13.30 Retirement Visa  |  13.30- 17.15 Dependents (Spouse)  |  17.15-20.05 Change of Status  |  20.05-21.35 Re-Entry Permits  |  21.35-29.45 90 Day Reporting  |  29.35-35.30 Applying for an O Visa  |  35.30-fin  Immigration Work load


Video Via Chiang Mai Expats Club

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Retirement Visa

Requirements for a Non Immigrant Visa ‘O-A” (Retirement)

  • Must be 50 years of age or over.
  • Passport (must have at least 1 year (18 months preferred) remaining until it expires
  • Holder of this type of visa is allowed to stay in Thailand for 1 year.
  • Holding the nationality or permanent residence of country of application
  • Proof of Financial requirement
  • Letter from Bank showing proof of deposits
  • Employment of any kind is strictly prohibited (including volunteer work).

Eligibility for Retirement Visa

  • Applicant must be aged 50 years and over (on the day of submitting application).
  • Applicant not prohibited from entering the Kingdom as provided by the Immigration Act B.E. 2522 (1979).
  • Having no criminal record in Thailand or in the country of his/her nationality, or the country of his/her residence.
  • Not having prohibitive diseases ( Leprosy, Tuberculosis, drug addiction, Elephantiasis, third phase of Syphilis) as indicated in the Ministerial Regulation No 14  B.E. 2535.
  • You must have at least 18 months validity on your current Passport

Documents Required for your 1st Visa

If applying from outside Thailand you may need 4 copies.  If applying from inside Thailand you may only need 1 or 2 copies

A – Application For VISA form TM 7   (Original + 4 copies)

B – Photo’s – (Passport-type photo, 2” x 2”, color, front-view, taken within 6 months, and write your name and last name on the back of each photo). They never check the photo for signature, but it is the law.

C – Copies of your  Passport (every page)  Sign every page

D – Copies of Personal Data Form – Click Here to Download Form

E – Copies of  Bank statement.    Deposit verification letter from your bank (if already here) stating the balance of your savings account (800,000 Baht). Normal cost about 100 to 200 baht.  This letter must not be older than 7 days.
OR
A Notarized Affidavit of Income from your Embassy,  with a monthly salary of no less than 65,000 Baht (US cost  ($50)  US Form download form.  This form can not be older than 6 months
OR
Combination of Bank Account and Income over 12 months = 800,000 Baht
OR
If you are married to a Thai National you need an Income Certificate with a monthly salary of no less than 40,000 Baht.  A Thai Bank account showing a reasonable amount is also required.

If you are applying using 800,000 Baht+ to meet financial resources:

a. First (Initial) Application – Needs to show funds have been on deposit at least 2 months before applying.
b. Subsequent (renewal) Application – Needs to show funds have been on deposit for at least 3 months before applying.

F – 4 copies of Police Clearance (Must be notarized) Stating the applicant has no criminal record (issued by the authority concerned of his/her nationality or residence. The verification must be no older than 3 months.  This Police Clearance applies only when applying from outside of Thailand and is not required when applying from here

G – 4 copies of a Medical Certificate.   When Issued from the country where the application is submitted, showing no prohibitive diseases as indicated in the Ministerial Regulation No. 14 (B.E. 2535) (Leprosy, Tuberculosis [T.B], Elephantiasis, Drug addiction, Alcoholism, 3rd step of syphilis) with the name and address of the doctor. (the certificate must be valid no more than 3
months)

NOTE:
1) Medical Certificate – This is not required if the VISA is applied for or accomplished inside Thailand

2) If you are applying for your first retirement VISA in Thailand, you will first be issued an “O” VISA.  Then you return to immigration 3 months later, with the same paperwork, to get an “OA” VISA

3) The marriage certificate must be presented as evidence if the applicant wishes to have his/ her spouse stay together in the Kingdom. But if his /her spouse is not qualified for the retirement VISA the spouse will be considered for the Non-Immigrant Visa Type “O” or Temporary Resident

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Re-Entry Permits (Single 1000 Baht, Multiply 3800 Baht)

When you arrive in Thailand your Retirement Visa is good for one year (requiring 90 day reporting). Often you might want to use Thailand as your base and travel to other parts of Asia, or be able to return home in case of emergencies or special events.  Leaving the country without obtaining a re-entry permit will make your Visa void, and you will have to apply again.

You can apply for a re-entry permit (single or multiply) when you apply for your retirement Visa, or during your stay here in Thailand.

Documents Required for Re-Entry Permit to Thailand

  • Form TM8
  • First page of  Passport showing picture
  • Passport page showing latest VISA stamp
  • Passport page showing expiration date of passport
  • Copy of Arrival Card (your passport may have the Departure Card)
  • 1 photo – Passport-type photo, 2” x 2”, color, front-view, taken within 6 months, and write your name and last name on the back of each photo

NOTE:  A Multiple Entry Permit is only good until the expiration date of your current VISA.  There is not much point purchasing a multiply re-entry permit for example if you only have a few months left on your current retirement Visa and you intend to be out of the country for longer than a month.

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Now you are in Thailand, what are your Visa Obligations?

90 day Reporting

Every 90 days you will be required to check in with Immigration for your 90 day reporting.  This is essentially letting the Thai government (via Immigration Office) that you are still residing in Thailand.  If you would like go to immigration in person you can read about how to do this here

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We can process and submit your 90 Day reporting for you, have us at Chiang Mai Buddy head down to Immigration at 6am line up for you and submit your documents.  Then just pop into the Office the next day and pick up your Passport. The process is a 5 minute trip to our office.  Fee is 500 Baht.

 

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Form TM47
First page of  Passport showing picture
Passport page showing latest VISA stamp
Passport page showing expiration date of passport (If different from 1st page)
Copy of Arrival Card (your passport may have the Departure Card)
Proof of address (Ex: copy of Rental Agreement).  Only if your last 90 day reporting was not at Chiang Mai Immigration

 

N.B Fines for not Filing a 90 Day Report (TM47)

As per the Immigration website

The notification of staying in the Kingdom over 90 days is in no way equivalent to a VISA extension. If a foreigner staying in the kingdom over 90 days without notifying the Immigration Bureau or notifying

  • The fine for not checking in on time is 2000 baht plus 200 baht per day.
  • If a foreigner who did not make the  notification of staying over 90 days is arrested, he will be fined 4,000 baht
  • If a foreigner leaves the country and re-enters, the day count starts at 1 in every case.

For details contact 0-2285-5142, 0-2287-3101-10 ext.2262, 2263

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Extending your Retirement Visa after 1 year (1900 Baht)

Once you are here in Chiang Mai, you are going to want to stay here or at the very least spend part of your year here (maybe during the winter in your own country).  Since you already have your first retirement visa, this process is called a Visa Extensions, and follows much the same procedure as you did when originally applying (only easier)

  • If you want to extend your Visa for another year, he or she must submit a request for an extension of stay at the Office of the Immigration Bureau.
  • You must do so before the expiration date on your VISA stamp in your passport .
  • You can submit your paperwork 30 days before your Visa expires (Chiang Mai 45 days)

Documents Required for Retirement Visa Extension of Stay

A – Application For VISA form TM 7

B – One Passport Size Photo

C – Copy of your  Passport (every page)  Sign every page

D – Evidence of your address (rental agreement or Baan book)

E – Copy of  Bank statement.    Deposit verification letter from your bank (if already here) stating the balance of your savings account (800,000 Baht). Normal cost about 100 to 200 baht.  This letter must not be older than 7 days.
OR
A Notarized Affidavit of Income from your Embassy,  with a monthly salary of no less than 65,000 Baht (US cost  ($50)  US Form download form.  This form can not be older than 6 months
OR
Combination of Bank Account and Income over 12 months = 800,000 Baht
OR
If you are married to a Thai National you need an Income Certificate with a monthly salary of no less than 40,000 Baht.  A Thai Bank account showing a reasonable amount is also required.

If you are applying using 800,000 Baht+ to meet financial resources:

a. Subsequent (renewal) Application – Needs to show funds have been on deposit for at least 3 months before applying.

F – Copy of every page of your bank saving book for the past year (Sign every Page)  Some Immigration Offices may only require pages for 6 months

After you finish with the Immigration Officer, you will be directed to have your photograph taken and given a form to sign acknowledging that you understand the penalties of over staying.  The One year Extension of Stay is granted at the discretion of the immigration officer.  It is not a right, so dress well, smile and always when dealing with Thai officials be polite, calm and respectful.

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Married Couples: Documents required for a Spouse

If you are coming as a couple and both are over the age of 50, both people should apply for the retirement visa.  If the spouse will be accompanying him or her s does not qualify for the retirement visa (e.g. not age 50+ or age 50, but not enough income), the spouse will be considered for the Non-Immigrant Visa Type “O” or Temporary
Residents.  A copy of the Applicants marriage certificate (notarized) must be presented as supporting documentation.

Documents Required for Spouse:

  • VISA form TM 7
  • All the same documents you would submit for a “Retirement Visa” above
  • Plus your “Marriage Certificate” translated to Thai/English and Certified

Instead of a “Retirement Visa” the spouse will be considered for the Non-Immigrant Visa Type “O” or Temporary Resident.

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Retirement: How to Retire in Thailand

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Everything you need to know: How to Retire in Thailand

Thailand is fast becoming the number one choice for people wanting to retire, live a quality life and have their money stretch as far as is possible so that they can enjoy life in their golden years.

Thailand is a richly diverse country, offering regions with beautiful white sand beaches to mountain forests.  Offering large cities like Bangkok to the more quiet and relaxed Chiang Mai.   The following article is how Chiang Mai Buddy can assist you in the planning and execution of retiring in Chiang Mai, Thailand, but you can still use this information as a guide to retiring anywhere in Thailand

Why Retire in Chiang Mai?

Have a look how beautiful this city is.   Video: Chiang Mai – The Beauty of Diversity – from NOXimage

Obviously we here at Chiang Mai Buddy are biased towards retiring in in Chiang Mai.  Here the temperature is cooler, the city is smaller and easier to get around, property is cheap, there is amazing gardens, Temples, arts and crafts and a general more laid back and relaxed.  No beaches here, but also not many sexpats either. Chiang Mai is a comfortable base with an airport that has several daily flights all over Thailand and to other Asian countries. It is easy to use this city as your base if you decide you want to investigate other locations in Thailand.

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1) First Things First – Have you been to Thailand?

The most obviously benefit to Retiring in Thailand is that it is cheap.  But do not forget it is another country with a different culture.  The number one question you need to answer for yourself is …..

Do I like Thailand?

If you have been here for a holiday then you obviously know the answer to this question. If you are basing your entire choice of Thailand based on the internet, articles and media then you need to ensure that your expectations are as realistic as possible.  The Chiang Mai Buddy website is a good start.  Our blog posts and articles are pretty devoid of opinion and personal bias – they tend to just present the facts without attempting to color the information with a sales pitch.

Solution:

1) Come to Thailand on a Tourist Visa: Come as a Tourist and travel to a few cities you have narrowed down your selection to. Once you are here it is a simple process to apply for and get your Retirement Visa.

2) Take the Plunge: Apply for and get your Retirement Visa before you leave your own country. It is valid for a year and gives you the opportunity and freedom to base yourself in one location and visit other parts of the country. Renewing your Retirement Visa each year is easier than getting your initial one.

Considerations:

1) Less than 2% of Chiang Mai Buddies customers have decided that Chiang Mai is not the city for them.  Granted our customers have the added benefit of having friends the moment they arrive and we introduce them to other Expats and the local social community. Chiang Mai is the number one retirement city for a reason. It is a good choice to start.

2) Once you are here, any documents certified by a lawyer in your own country are useless.  The process for applying for a Retirement Visa in Thailand is different (and easier) than getting one before you arrive. In fact you do not even need to have the funds to retire.  We can provide you with an instant Retirement Visa for 35,000 Baht (includes a bank statement in your name with funds. All you need is your Passport and 2 Photos). If you have all your documentation and the money (doing it the official way) the fee is 6,000 Baht to process and obtain your Visa.

3) Book Accommodation before you Arrive.  We have an excellent selection of monthly apartments which we get for you at the same cash price as you would if you where here in person. When you order through us the Arrival Package is automatically added to your purchase, this includes picking you up from the airport, delivering you to your new temporarily home, a motorbike (if wanted) a Phone SIMcard, and of course instant access to people who know Chiang Mai.

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If you decide to choose Chiang Mai as your base location, we are in business to help assist people come and stay – but more importantly ENJOY Chiang Mai.  Once you arrive we continue to offer services that make living in Thailand easy and stress free. Social introductions, hiring a Thai speaking person to assist you, getting bank accounts, drivers license and so much more.  You can rely on us as we teach you how to become familiar and comfortable in your new country.

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2) The Retirement Visa.

The Retirement Visa is a pretty simple and easy process (once you know what you’re doing) – but the first time it can seem like a daunting process.  You have two primary options

Retirement Visa Options:

1) Apply from your Home Country: This allows you to have your Visa in your passport and from the moment you are here you can have access to the benefit of having a retirement Visa (Bank Accounts, Drivers License etc).

2) Apply from within Thailand: This option is much less stressful, because of the easy access to Visa agencies that can take care of everything for you.  Yes there is a fee attached to having the professional look after you, but like so many other things in Thailand – the cost is small.

Qualifying for a Retirement Visa in Thailand

Requirements for a Non Immigrant Visa ‘O-A” (Retirement)

  • Must be 50 years of age or over.
  • Passport (must have at least 1 year (18 months preferred) remaining until it expires
  • Holder of this type of visa is allowed to stay in Thailand for 1 year.
  • Holding the nationality or permanent residence of country of application
  • Proof of Financial requirement
  • Letter from Bank showing proof of deposits
  • Employment of any kind is strictly prohibited (including volunteer work).

Eligibility for Retirement Visa

  • Applicant must be aged 50 years and over (on the day of submitting application).
  • Applicant not prohibited from entering the Kingdom as provided by the Immigration Act B.E. 2522 (1979).
  • Having no criminal record in Thailand or in the country of his/her nationality, or the country of his/her residence.
  • Not having prohibitive diseases ( Leprosy, Tuberculosis, drug addiction, Elephantiasis, third phase of Syphilis) as indicated in the Ministerial Regulation No 14  B.E. 2535.
  • You must have at least 18 months validity on your current Passport

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Retirement VisaHow to get a Retirement Visa in Thailand
Step by Step Instructions to apply for your Retirement Visa
Get all the forms, know what documents you need and gain a better understanding of how to apply for a retirement visa to come and live in Thailand

 

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Retirement Visa Considerations:

1) Thailand Immigration want to ensure that people retiring in Thailand are also bringing their money in Thailand.  Once Expats would put the required amount of money into their bank account and apply for the Visa and remove the money.  Immigration decided (not yet undated on old blog post concerning the topic) to prevent this, your financial bank deposit needs to be in the bank for a two month period prior to applying for your Retirement Visa.

Another reason for having these funds is if you are require emergency medical treatment and you do not have funds in the Bank, the hospital will not perform the required treatment.  If you do not have the funds, there are services that have accounts with the 800k in them and are converted into your name and your application is processed.  All other documentation is taken care of for you – fee is 35,000 Baht (US$1020).  You should not consider this service unless you have complete medical insurance.

2) Obtaining a Retirement Visa from a Tourist Visa, needs to be done at an Embassy outside of Thailand (unless getting the aforementioned all-inclusive package).  You will have to reenter the country with your Retirement Visa if you decide to obtain one while already being in Thailand.

3) As mentioned in No 1 of the considerations, Thai Immigration have made some major changes since 2015 – most of which are to determine that people coming to Thailand can afford to live in Thailand.  While many Expats and Retirees living in Thailand are here because they are economically in hardship, You should seriously consider coming here if you do not have and are prepared to commit to the country the required 800,000 baht.

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We offer extensive help and assistance with Visa’s.  At Chiang Mai Buddy we do not process Visa applications ourselves, rather we work in conjunction with a few Visa companies.  This allows us to select from an unbiased position which of the various Visa companies can provide the best service for you. You pay us the same price as you would them, so you can be assured that what we offer fits into your unique situation.

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3) Cost of Living in Thailand?

While you are required to have assets each year of 800,000 baht (or 400,000 plus income of 2000 US$) in order to maintain your retirement Visa, you can live here quite comfortably for almost half of that.  The following tables come from numbeo.com and was taken from July 2015 for the City of Chiang Mai.  You can use the link to find out the costs of any other city you might be interested in.

Cost of Food in Thailand (Chiang Mai)

Cost of food in Thailand (Chiang Mai)

Cost of food in Thailand (Chiang Mai) in US Dollars

 Cost of General Living in Thailand (Chiang Mai)

Cost of General Living in Thailand (Chiang Mai)

Cost of General Living in Thailand (Chiang Mai) US Dollars

 Cost of Accommodation in Thailand (Chiang Mai)

Cost of Accommodation in Thailand (Chiang Mai)

Cost of Accommodation in Thailand (Chiang Mai) in US Dollars

Considerations for Cost of Living in Thailand:

1) Everything is much cheaper in Thailand except for imported beer, wine, and dairy products. Eating western food will cost you 2-3 times more than eating local food but is still affordable.

2) Your biggest expense will be your accommodation. In Thailand a Westerner can only own 49% of land, so unless or until you have a Thai Wife, most people choose to rent a condo or house or purchase a condo.  You can lease land that a property is located on for 30 years plus – but gifting property to dependents (unless they are Thai) is a difficult process and not worth considering for a few years after you arrive.

3) Renting a condo in the city areas will cost about the same as a 2-4 bedroom house in the countryside.  Property is incredibly cheap in comparison to the western world, but it is the location that is important.  Do not rush into getting permanent accommodation until you are familiar with the area.  Stay first for a month or so in a monthly apartment before committing to a longer term lease.

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4) Finding a Place to Live

Accommodation is very affordable in Thailand, especially in the Northern parts of the country in the cities of Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai. Even in the tourist locations of Phuket and Pattaya the cost of renting a place to live is far less than you own country.  One thing to be aware of, is that most people live in Condo’s which range in size from 30 sq m (small) to 180 sq m (3 bedroom place).  Houses of course are as small or large as they would be in any country.  The following Blog Post details the steps and procedures of how to go about renting a place of your own.

However we strongly suggest you first live in a Monthly Apartment and get to know the areas around town for a month or two before you commit to a lease.

Another problem many people face is Thai Real estate agents.  Many are great, but (and this is a generalization), many also do not comprehend or understand what you are used too or how strongly you might want what you say you want.  Countless people who want to entertain and desire a western kitchen are shown place after place without one (because Thai’s eat out).  They ability to grasp your demands for a property to qualify as something you want to look at is not great.

You can look online and find many amazing places available to rent.  Only to find when you call that they have been rented already, or that they will be available in a month only to have the existing tenant stay on.  Thai people and many Thai agents tend to just leave their property listings on websites, which can make searching on your own a frustrating experience.

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How much does it cost to Lease a Condo in Chiang Mai?

A 30 sq.m Condo with kitchen and modern amenities will start at around 6000 baht (US$180), increasing in size to 45 sq.m you are looking in the 9000-12000 baht range. (US$270-360) per month.  Larger 80-120 sq.m 2 bedrooms places are around 18000-25000 baht (US$549-760).  One of the first things many new arrivals notice (especially from America) is how small the condos are here compared to where they are from.  You very quickly adapt and begin to enjoy the smaller units, with less cleaning required, ease of getting around from kitchen to bathroom etc.  Price will often depend on the extra facilities of the condo, Gyms, Pools, Massage and location will all add to the price.

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A 2 bedroom 100 sq.m Condo with style will cost about 20,000 per month

Chiang Mai Condo

45 sq.m modern unit will cost between 10,000-12,000 baht per month

Chiang Mai Condo for rent

A Condo like this will be about 8000 baht per month

How much does it cost to Rent a House in Chiang Mai?

Houses are available in the inner suburbs and city itself, and these tend to be older (often Thai style) and can start from as low as 5000 baht maybe 8000 baht for a two bedroom.  The further out you go the bigger and newer the houses become with more western features. Many expats decide that they want to rent a house in a Moo Baan (gated community) which are usually located in the Hang Dong and surrounding areas.  Older styled houses are found closer to the city areas (and also outside the city) which are smaller and basic sometimes with a yard, but usually close to the neighbors.

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A newer 3-4 bedroom house can be found as low as 9,000 baht but generally 15,000 plus

Rent House in Chiang Mai

Older styled houses, 1-2 bedrooms can be found from 8000 baht

Solutions for Finding Accommodation:

1) Rent a Monthly Apartment First: Many people choose to stay in a Hotel or resort for there first week and then rush into signing a lease without knowing the city.  So many people find a place close to where they first arrived in Thailand only to find later that they are miles away from the area they prefer or people they later meet.  If you are coming to Chiang Mai, we have a selection of 20 places we have selected (having looked at over 80 personally).  You can look for yourself at the Monthly Accommodation in Chiang Mai

2) Get a Western Real Estate Agent: The effort you use to find a western or western thinking real estate agent will pay you many times over in results.  Don’t worry, it will cost you nothing, agents take their payment from commission in the lease (you might pay a little more over finding a place yourself – but you do not waste your time looking at property not available)

Considerations for Finding Accommodation:

1) Many people find the idea of a smaller accommodation than they are used too, is not their first choice; until they try it.  In Thailand you just do not need to have a huge kitchen (cooking at home costs more than eating out) and lets face it when you are retired you just do not need to have all that extra room for family and friends to stay with you.

2) Renting vs Buying?  On average if you purchase a property and rent it, it might take 15-30 years before you start to get a return on your investment depending on the location.  In addition it is difficult to transfer the title of the property to someone outside of Thailand so it might just be the case that the Thai Government takes over your assets if you die.  Consider renting!  The cost is low, you have spent your life saving and buying that house, which you just sold to retire in another country.

3) Do Not … Do Not … Do Not get a place sight unseen for any reason.  It does not matter if you have fallen in love online and have decided to move to the beautiful countryside to buy a house for the person you love (and maybe not met). It does not matter what you have read online (including this website) …. maybe the only reason you would do this is if you already have a friend and you want to live close to them.  The number one reason we get customers at Chiang Mai Buddy, is because they read online somewhere how easy things where to do … abc and came here to find out this was not the case.

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One of our prime functions is to provide budget monthly accommodation in the most desirable area of Chiang Mai.  In addition we offer our Thai staff to call and negotiate leases on your behalf (prices tend to go up if a westerner is calling) and an American owned Real Estate agent who can find you exactly what you are looking for.  In short we have all your accommodation options covered.
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5) Health Care and Insurance

As with most living costs in Thailand your medical treatment and Insurance is not only incredibly low, it is of such high standard that Thailand is a top location for Medical Holidays.  In all major cities there are Hospitals that tend to place the westerner in the priority queue (while we pay very little, we pay more than Thai’s on Social Security systems).

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While medical treatment and dentistry is remarkable affordable in Thailand, so to in the insurance policies that cover your costs. The major benefit of having insurance based in Thailand is that it comes with your own agent who will go and take care of everything on your behalf. This saves money!!

When a westerner is taken to hospital, or admits themselves, the assumption is that we all have financial resources in abundance.  The treatment reflects this, and more than is required is usually done.  Wonderful if you have the money, you will get treated as if you where the President and then be amazed at how little it cost you compared to home.

When you have an Insurance agent, they are called (because they are paying) and the agent will go to visit you. More importantly they will find out about your condition and tell the hospital what tests and treatments they will get paid to do.  Your Insurance agent knows what is needed and what is not and your premiums remain low because of non excessive use.  This is very important as you are older and are likely to require medical treatment more often than you used to.

Solutions for Health Care and Insurance:

1) Get Basic Travel Insurance from Home: Insurance is cheaper here, you do not need to cover yourself for everything before you come, much better to get basic flight and travel insurance for a couple of months and then purchase insurance after you are in Thailand.

2) Register with a Local Hospital: Each Hospital has a membership or registration card – get one.  It costs nothing or very little and contains your history and can have our medical records transferred from your home country.

Considerations for Health Care and Insurance:

1) Driving in Thailand is a completely different set of mental dynamics.  If you are going to ride a motorcycle here, the long and short of it is, at some point you will have an accident.  It pays to have insurance because no matter who is or was at fault it is ALWAYS the Westerner who will end up paying.  Local Insurance covered both you, and the other person for medical bills and replacement of the bike

2) The last thing you want if you are in Hospital in Thailand is someone from your home countries Insurance company trying to speak to someone who may or may not speak English to discuss payment and treatment.  In fact usually you are required to pay cash and claim later.  If you are living here – don’t rely on insurance from another country – no matter how good your past history with them has been.

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If you are planning on Retiring in Chiang Mai, we have extensively searched and found the best providers we can find with our local knowledge.  This includes a wonderful Insurance agent who can find a policy to meet almost any budget.  Let us provide you with an introduction to this agent who has national and multinational insurance policies she can provide at low prices.
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5) Social Life and Friends

Of course it goes without saying that a major component of how much you enjoy life, is who you have to enjoy it with.  The Expat community is large in Thailand and almost every city will have an Expat Club, Facebook groups for Expats, Retirees and generally what is happening in your chosen city.

Unless you are wanting to disappear and avoid people, you would do well to join and check out a few Facebook groups in the cities you are thinking about and the Number One forum website ThaiVisa.com 

It is a mistake to come solely because you have fallen in love online.  It is even more of a mistake to decide to live in a rural province because your new girlfriend wants you to be close to her family.  You are going to miss the comforts and security of the familiar – even if this is just hearing the same types of accents you have done in the past.

Make sure that there is a community that reflects what you are used too.  If you are Greek, see if there are Greek people who meet and organize events. Same for German, Dutch and so on.  Most retirees in Thailand are American, British and Australians.  In some regions in South of Thailand there is a big Russian element, but not so much up in the Northern parts.

Considerations for Social Life and Friends

1) If you have been to Thailand and/or have friends here already, this is less of a problem.  If you belong to a smaller community and your own food, music and traditions are important to you, it would pay to investigate where there is already a community of people like yourself.

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We have as part of our service an Expat Relocation Tour, which shows you the places to shop, get medicines, eat and drink with other people also here in Chiang Mai.  In addition our Facebook Page, lists events from all over Chiang Mai to inform you what is happening.  And we of course have the occasional dinner party inviting our old and new customers to meet socially.
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Conclusion

Thailand is a wonderful place to retire, with Chiang Mai being the most popular location for many people. If you wish to consider Chiang Mai as a location, we here at Chiang Mai Buddy offer a range of affordable services to make this as easy and as stress free as possible.

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